Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

topic posted Fri, May 15, 2009 - 9:09 PM by  Steven4
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Last month in a restaurant with my friend Mary, I watched tears running down her plastic-surgery repaired but scarred cheeks. She was recalling her experiences of living in Colorado for 30 years, and stated that she had uncontrollable nightmares and that her basic behavior had changed there. She was on-edge all of the time, always expected calamities at any moment, and said she moved there as a cool, calm, collected person, but left as a paranoid, panic-stricken, vigilant neurotic who couldn’t sleep at night or trust any situation or anyone.

A little girl she was responsible for while employed as a social worker was locked in a cage by her abusive foster parents, and somehow died in their care. Mary testified at the murder trial but there was not enough evidence, and they were acquitted. The remaining children in their care were not reassigned. Mary was in shock for years from this and is still affected, rightly so. Also, her best friend died in a car crash, and she had two of them herself, one of which left her hospitalized for months. She has been in physical therapy for years, which is no surprise, because I experienced the same effect. Her Astrocartographic map showed the Uranus Asc only a few miles west of her home in Colorado Springs, which corroborated my observation that the closer to this energy line, the stronger the effect. It lies at the West end of the house geographically, a boundary between it and the Uranus 1st house, which I suspect, is equally harrowing. My studies have convinced me that Uranus 12th and 1st near the Asc is the most dangerous placement in the astrological chart. Pluto in 12th is a close second.

I asked her if there were screaming people in her face (as I had found in my own progressed Uranus 12th), and she said yes. In fact, they didn’t attack, they just screamed. In Pluto’s 12th house, they often physically attack outright during and after screaming. And it happens constantly where both planets are here. Mary experienced the same things with negligence from other people in everyday life as well. The fouled-up billings concerning insurance, utilities, medical, government, and other services are not only angering, but maddening in their relentless occurrence and the inability to rectify them. The injuries-- ones that should never have happened will leave disability and lasting problems, even after leaving this house geographically. Mary is only 58 and will limp and groan from pain for the remainder of her life. This is not to be taken lightly.

Last week while doing a relocated chart for my friend Verna, I discovered that she too had Uranus in 12th. Except…. When I asked if she had death and near-death experiences, sudden property damage, and screaming lunatics around her, she said that only the screaming was apparent. A look at her Natal chart showed Jupiter in 12th there, so this verified what others have said….that it offers protection. I’ve seen this protection from Pluto’s 12th house as well, that the violent and miserable childhoods often seen there are mitigated by father Jupiter’s thumb on Pluto. (Yes, Amiable, this is you. LOL)

The house of self-undoing really does have a special task assigned to the planet Uranus. I’ve always called it the “voodoo” planet because the effects are enough to scare us into believing that almost any nightmare that can be imagined can and will become reality. In the 12th house, this planet creates an alternate reality. Uranus in the 12th house causes events to erupt from the depths of karma that bring shock and awe. The manifestations of this energy occur in every realm of life…physical, social, emotional, financial (business), and I’ll make special mention of mechanical things. These energies cause us to unwittingly take actions that set up outlandish circumstances that are unexpected, inescapable, and unavoidable. Circumstances that…most non-12th house people might experience only rarely. The unlucky will have 20, 30, or 40 times the number of wacko incidents from my observation. Living in Uranus’ 12th house is like being sent to live in a lunatic asylum, though you may be the only sane one--- in the beginning. The voodoo of this placement will slowly convert you into one of the patients.

It started as soon as I had arrived in Arizona. It was unnoticeable to me, because I had just left my Natal Pluto 12th area. Mishaps, bad luck, injuries, and hateful people were standard for me--- I’d not realized yet that this is not “normal” because the Pluto 12th House effects are parallel but more predictable. Unfortunately, this blindness kept me in this location far too long, and in hindsight, far too long was 10 minutes. It had nothing to do with the desert or the heat or city itself that so many easily-bored, condescending Arizona-haters whine about; however, it is based on how each individual thrives or fails in certain locations. I now have nothing but contempt for most 12th houses and want nothing to do with them. Many of you here may see me as a 12th House whiner, but by the time I finish here, you’ll understand why I’m misunderstood. At the time of my arrival, I was riding a bicycle to work, and had a breakdown or flat tire at least 3-4 times a week, which boggled the minds of my roommates at the time. They thought it was some sort of curse, because the repetitive nature of the problems was simply not to be believed. Strangely, these flats never occurred on the way TO work. That first summer, I was told, was the worst lightning/thunderstorm season in Arizona 100 years, and I was caught out in it often. Uranus gave me a strong welcome with lots of electricity. Perhaps it was a warning to leave. As much as I truly love the place and always will, that warning should have been heeded. Funny, things usually went right when no people were around.

When we relocate, the energies take full effect about two years after we arrive. That was when the real fun began. The litany of events is typical for this 12th House placement. My cars were constantly being smashed, ruining my finances with repairs. Insurance companies gave me the worst time trying to collect on policies, one time it nearly turned into a legal fight which left me boiling for years. “Being boiled”, as I call it, is a result of the incessant losses and frustration. It adds another layer of emotional exhaustion on top of the physical and other emotional injuries. 12th housers know this feeling well, especially those of us who lose our grip and end up in prison. Phone bills, home maintenance, and on and on, were constantly being screwed up by service people, even after several phone calls presumably correcting the problems. Vigilance didn’t help. It seemed that everyone I dealt with was brain dead or lazy, or opportunistic. Virtually no one cared about me as a customer.

People acted psychotically against me all of the time. Not just SOME of the time, but ALL of the time. One day at work during the first of my 21 years of living in this madness, I handled a trivial problem by circumventing a particularly strange coworker who then went off on a psychotic rage (in front of our customers at that) and tried to get me fired. People in general were awful, from a tow truck driver who dropped my car and told me to #@$%& off and call my insurance company (I sued and won a partial award, due to a jackass judge), to car mechanics who created problems through laziness or incompetence, to businesspeople who were convinced that I was purposely derailing their goals. Mind you, I’d always considered myself a timid person trying to make peace among all.

My neighborhood was infested with undisciplined cats who urinated all over my car, and I borrowed a trap to remove them….only to have that same finger smashed again and again by the closing mechanism while setting the trap. The more diligently I paid attention to NOT being injured, the worse the malfunctions seemed to become. It reached the point where I was afraid to even open the hood of my car. Electric shocks happened, even though my hands were dry and I was hyper-vigilant, and the wiring was perfect.

My dating life was peppered with acrimonious incidents on the part of my dates. Again, my car was attacked and physically damaged over and over, and my poor neighbors had to endure more than one crazy date acting up at my house. More disturbing was the hate I saw in traffic, especially as a pedestrian. Several times people consciously tried to run me off the road, or run me down in crosswalks or in parking lots. In 1999, an old couple in a new Cadillac tried to run me down in a crosswalk because the light had changed on me too fast. At first, I thought these incidents were my own perception, but years later, after telling the stories to people I know there, it became evident that the drivers were pretty hateful and victimizing in Arizona….worse, the police had an attitude of doing nothing about it. Yes, I did try to file complaints. Most of my friends there did not encounter the same numbers of abusive people. In 2002, I was rammed repeatedly with a shopping cart in a store, just because I was ahead of this psychotic lady in line, and she didn’t want to wait. While she was leaving, I told her that she was living proof that America was breeding from the bottom. Few, if any incidents like this happened to my friends there. I seemed to attract strange, punishment-obsessed people who did strange things to me. Also in 1999, my family and I were stalked via defamatory hate mail, multiple incidents/attacks on my car, and personal threats by someone I hardly knew who had stolen from me. The money was the least of it; he was so angry, I was convinced that I was going to have to kill him. Fortunately, I did not act… and the experience was both distressing and educational. He is dead now and would be about 43, so karma is strong and does go in both directions, just so you know. I’ll also add that an abusive employer ended up in federal prison. It reached a point where the next person who abused me was going to make me very violent, and put them in the hospital. I was realizing that something had to change and that something was amiss following the stalker incident. I was experiencing toxic overload. The constant destruction and attacks on me left me feeling that I was going to kill or be killed. Depression followed. Fortunately, I was able to get counseling and recognize this horrible energy enough to let go and relocate out of it. My counselor was ecstatic when I informed him I was leaving.

While in the Uranus 12th House, someone told me that I “attracted” these events by my own attitude. Well, the subconscious may have attracted it, but it was not voluntary. Tolerance was useless, avoidance was not an option, and any type of diplomacy was met with even more vicious attacks. Even the people who were kind to me did not understand why I reacted the way I did to these problems. They thought I was a freak. If we do attract it personally, my feeling is that it was not intended and no amount of personal change can overcome it. Trust me, I tried a lot of different changes. It was exhausting trying to do damage control on a daily level, only to see it happen again from a different direction with a totally new twist. The only change that worked was giving up and leaving. It is apparent that having the 12th House in Uranus also attracts judgmental, blaming people into the mix. Perhaps there is a special energy emanating from 12th house people in general that invites others to abuse us. I know I never asked for any of it. From the time I was young, I had always worked hard to move life forward, and had high expectations and tried hard to get along. Not asking for it seems to be central to the experience. Objecting to the abuse brings ever more abuse. It’s fatal to the cure.

In 1999 my back (sciatic intersection) ruptured the same week as the stalker, and I spent almost two years in bed in horrible pain. Physical therapy didn’t work. I was unable to keep up with my expenses, and eventually had to sell my home to get out from under. A year after I sold out, its value had risen by about $120,000. This is typical of the irony encountered in the 12th, a turning of the knife so to speak. That house is probably now in foreclosure and back to the value I sold it for. Too bad, I just don’t care.

The constant injuries like my back were beyond the pale but there were many, many more. Once I was placing a comforter on my lodgepole pine bed and pushed it down behind the footboard, only to find that a 2 inch splinter had gone deeply under my fingernail like a Viet Cong bamboo torture method. The doctor wasn’t able to remove it, and it took two years to grow out. Fortunately, my finger did not go gangrene, though it was purple for a week, the antibiotic prescribed saved me.

By far the most disturbing events surrounded the people I knew, who were dying off in droves. Mind you, I was only in my late 20’s when this all started. About 1990, my 80 year old neighbor had a fall and his wife called me to help; when I ran over to their house and picked him up, he died in my arms. But at least he was old. Death was ever-present.

Several people I’ve questioned (including Mary) who lived in their 12th House Uranus area had this same continuous cycle of death happening around them. My partner and at least 50 of our acquaintances (that we knew of) died of AIDS. When I came out of the closet, I felt like a debutante being marched out of the ballroom and into a slaughterhouse. One of my friends, who was NOT having the same experiences but noticed that it was happening to me called it “The Black Cloud”, and it actually caused him to keep his distance from me. Strangely, I did not get infected by a single thing, and am still clear to this day. Perhaps Uranus and Pluto keep us alive longer to extend the “learning” period. During the early 90’s I ended up being a caretaker when I should have just packed my clothes and driven away as fast as I could. But I’d not have succeeded at escaping; my car at the time broke down on a daily basis. Perhaps I should have walked. You have no idea how horrible it is to see someone rot away from AIDS, it is a deep 12th house experience not unlike surviving a war. I had many young friends and acquaintances die of other things, too. There was Hepatitis B, kidney failure, alcoholism, drowning, heart defect, asphyxiation, cancer, and even a jetliner crash. These were people I liked, too. Maybe they weren’t so good for me, their motives were often hidden. One would assume that these events are typical in anyone’s life...except that their high frequency and their (mostly) young age at death was not quantifiable from a scientific standpoint. For my young age at the time….this was very disturbing. My siblings had a few events like this, but the sheer number on my side of the equation is baffling. Debates on that could rage for decades over who deserves what karma or why.

The entire time it was occurring, my thought was-- Please make it stop!!! I really don’t feel that I had manifested this horror movie of a life, but someone recently said it was probably in our “contract” with the powers that be before I was brought into this world. I know that Uranus in 12th was responsible for most of the trouble, because the rest of my chart was fairly benign.

After escaping this surreal era by leaving the mainland, the incidents all disappeared overnight. This is NOT an exaggeration. In five years in Hawaii, only one neighbor’s son has died, and it was from drugs. He avoided me. The excessive damages have stopped with an occasional minor problem that’s easily corrected. It felt like I had escaped a cemetery where hateful, homicidal poltergeists were running the show. By going West, Uranus was moved into the 2nd house (With its own financial dramas, trust me), and its domination was replaced by a massive stellium in the 4th. The attacking people I had become so accustomed to…now naturally avoid me except by phone when they’re on the mainland (back in the old 12th neighborhood!). Any physical injury whatsoever is rare and mild. My car is no longer suffering shattered windshields or being dropped by tow trucks, or hit by backhoes, or getting keyed and slashed by psychotic dates, or…or…or…whatever Uranus had in mind. I’m not as sick from sinus problems, my back is doing fairly well, and I feel well liked in this community and rarely get attitude. Yes, there are some bad people, but I only hear about them now. It seems probable that life will not return to the past destructiveness that was previously encountered. Life is even serene, actually.

What saddens me most is that right now, some of the people around me are living in their 12th House Uranus hell, and they won’t listen to my story. When we become accustomed to a life lacking any peace or security whatsoever, it becomes natural. I had already learned this false conception from my 12th House Pluto while growing up, so the experiences of my bad location were not perceived as unusual. Pain was life, life is suffering. An important part of the process of transcending our 12th houses is to recognize that this constant loss and agony is NOT normal. We don’t need it for a lifetime in order to move our souls toward a deeper understanding…..but sadly, some of us accept our misfortune and hang on. I’ve had three identifiable episodes of PTSD, two of them were in my progressed Uranus 12th, another on the East Coast with Pluto in 12th.

This placement is one of the “avoid at all costs” astrologic influences. Even in adulthood, it is severe and unforgiving, and depressive. Pluto, while more predictable, is riding along with Uranus in the 12th house for those of us born between about 1962 and 1968, about a six year conjunction. It’s unimaginable how bad they are together. I’ll have to write up a topic on how Uranus-Pluto house combinations work, they’re quite nasty.

Well, that’s my story, albeit a bit rambling. No doubt I will have rewritten it five times and vacillated over whether or not to even post it, because of its content being too personal. Nor am I looking for sympathy…what’s happened is just history now and I’m only sharing it for the benefit of others. I hope my honesty here has not been disturbing for anyone. None of this was imagined. I keep hearing how wonderful it is that we have had the chance to have our soul grow, blah blah blah, but I’ve done my time in hell, thank you. Mary did say that the troubles were so out of control that it had become comical. This is how she copes. Each day I wake up grateful and am emphatically relieved that it has diminished. She feels the same way.



What to do if you are stuck without options in Uranus’ 12th house:

Live simply, the fewer belongings you have, the less you have to lose. Make sure you have insurance. Read your policies carefully. Get a signed letter from the agent promising your glass is covered with a zero deductable if you can get that coverage on your car. The mere existence of coverage will ward off bad events. Uranus doesn’t like to waste its time and knows that if someone is protecting you, or will fix the damage, the less likely it will attack, and the safer you’ll be. Have good health insurance. Go to the doctor for every little injury or illness. Build up a good relationship with them. My splinter-affected finger turned purple and would have gone gangrene if not for quick action. Play video games to keep your hand-eye coordination sharp. SLOW DOWN, don’t rush things. AVOID sports of any kind, don’t climb rocks, or hike in areas with dangerous conditions, animals, snakes, or insects. Avoid machines- especially vehicles that are running, lawnmowers, or household appliances like toasters. Always disconnect them or get help if they malfunction. Be careful around high-voltage electricity. Low-voltage shocks may actually diffuse some of this influence. Don’t give anyone a jump start, or pick up hitchhikers, or expect people to follow traffic laws. Learn to accept bad driving and rude people. Don’t take them personally, they don’t know you. All they know is that they feel the need to act up. Karma will crash them eventually. Assume no one is paying attention or is unable to. If you have a significant other or friend living with you, always ask for them to repair things. Don’t do it yourself. Forget having a phone land line at the house or even computer cable. Get WIFI and a cell phone. Buy magazines off the rack. Get some weights and exercise at home, gyms have trickster contracts. Minimize any billing that could go wrong. Be a roommate with no responsibilities, or rent a furnished home or apartment if you can, because things will go better. The more you cherish something, the higher the vulnerability for damage or loss. Learn how vehicles work, what can go wrong; always be wary of bad advice from mechanics. Find a knowledgeable car-nut to coach you. I was told my car’s alternator failed by someone who tested it, and it only required a new battery. It cost me hundreds of extra dollars when I was broke, all for nothing. Don’t buy a nice car, get one that is good mechanically that you won’t have to care about if it gets dented. Dented up cars don’t suffer additional dents, I swear by this. Buy a maintenance agreement. Better yet, don’t have a car or bicycle at all. Walk or bus, but watch out for cyclists, they may run you down because their need for speed outweighs your safety, they’re psychotic.

Keep a cell phone on your person at all times. Program 911 on speed dial and use it if someone road rages you. Don’t hesitate, don’t cut anyone off or pull out on them, either. Signal. Slow down to keep others from running stop signs. After a few incidents with that, you’ll understand what I mean. The faster you go, the more close calls you’ll see. If you get accosted in a building, take the phone out and confront the attacker, mirror the 12th house shock back at them, tell them you’re assuming an attack is underway and that you are calling the police. They’ll think you’re crazy but it throws it back in their face. Confront them, ask them who they are, and say they don’t know you, and that they have no right to treat you this way. I always did better when I fought back with questions. Most importantly of all, if you get angry, don’t attack first. They probably won’t be violent unless you have a Pluto 11th or Mars 1st or other aspect that attracts it. There’s probably going to be a lot of rudeness and abuse, and as Stevo says, NO apologies. I agree, you won’t get apologies, period. Always call for help, for security at the store to come, etc. Make friends with a Wiccan and get multiple protection spells. Wear amethyst. Never rush anything, leave early for work and the airport. Pay bills early if you can. Don’t make friends with freaky, discouraging people, period. Abandon them. Walk out on the middle of a project if the abuse starts, get higher-ups involved. Shock them all back. Use your power against them. Refuse to cooperate. Head off trouble if you see it coming. Don’t overlook that. Yes, do be vigilant but try not to be neurotic.
posted by:
Steven4
Hawaii
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  • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

    Sat, May 16, 2009 - 8:36 AM
    Dam Steve you should be a speaker of 12th house wisdom! Same kind of life I have as you!( death screamers and all ,even my finger being chopped off and sewed back on broke my leg in ballet class and a bad back!!) Had a bad day at work again its starting with a woman employee of course for no reason explodes on me. So I kept my my mouth shut , and I will tell my higher ups on the next work day. So I came home and worked on a vegetable garden and planted beautiful flowers and made banana bread, I can't get into this maddness anymore it is beyond my control and I have been doing this for acouple of years now. I make myself do things that make me happy.I can't go to my what is left family, because most of them DIED with me, they scream at me too! I definatey have to move west for sure! Have a good one friend.
    • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

      Sat, May 16, 2009 - 8:59 AM
      Yeah. I asked Steven4 to repost this and read it over the phone last night to a friend. And I have to say, Steven, that it has made me take a closer look at my 12H, camouflaged as it is with Jupiter.

      Very recently on the Pluto Moon tribe, someone posted something called the "Cassandra Effect," which I have for decades myself called the "Cassandra Syndrome," which are basically the same thing and involve seeing things as they are or as they are going to be and having that not be heard, nor even when it comes to pass, not being remembered for having said anything about it. That is a very 12th House phenomenon. What is kind of eerie about this is that began to affect me when I played the role of Cassandra in Agamemnon in college, and have had a tough time shaking it off ever since, although I have had my successes overpowering it. This is totally recognizable as a 12th House thing, though to be sure.

      I was just recently fired from my job. I am actually kind of relieved because it really was an intolerable situation that I was tolerating as best I could. Now I find myself scraping off the emotional sludge from the experience and trying to feel clean again. Sabotage, hidden and not so hidden agendas and talking behind my back ~ all that sort of stuff. Over and over this happens to me, with no two scenarios ever being alike so I can't pinpoint my own contribution to these problems. I have enough in my chart to keep from being out on the street, but I don't know for how long.

      Thanks for giving many people a real perspective of this, Steven4.
      • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

        Sat, May 16, 2009 - 11:36 AM
        Amiable, many are being "dispossessed" right now, the trend seems to be pushing everyone into work with a better fit. I've never known so many people who were unemployed as right now. I mean people with GOOD jobs, going over cliffs.

        The Cassanda effect... is part of the imprisonment of the 12th house. The only way to shatter it is through clarity... if that's possible.
        • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

          Sat, May 16, 2009 - 11:59 AM
          I have done it through tenacity and constant, nearly mind-numbing repetition with people that fell more or less in love with me but who knew I cared for them not as lovers, but as friends. In short, in a nonprofessional "therapeutic relationship." To some extent, I think this may have also expanded their concept of friendship, but whatever the case, I sure eventually managed to get them to radically alter their so lives thoroughly and quickly that it left me spinning just watching it happen.
          • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

            Sat, May 16, 2009 - 12:23 PM
            These days I can't seem to keep a job much longer than a year or two. This has been true for me for almost 10 years now. Even with 12H Leo Jupiter conjunct my Asc in Virgo and with Mercury as my chart ruler and in my 1H, I have not been able to do anything with my rather formidable Mercury-based skills and talents my entire working life.

            While I am fed up with clerical work, I have nothing much else to show for myself in my work history. Given that I seem to wind up in dysfunctional offices staffed by egotists, loonies, and/or creeps of one variety or another, I have decided to take up temping ~ at least that way I have some control over my situation and can bail if a place looks nuts. Meanwhile, I am thinking of how to "retool" myself in such a way that I can just bypass all the office nonsense and be more independent. T Uranus is shaking up my 7H mars, and T Saturn is approaching conjunction with my 1H Mercury now, so I am feeling rather stridently determined not to rock on in a status quo. As you know, I need to look after my elderly mother here, so relocation is not an option for me. I am hoping that capitalizing on certain transits might be enough to make the farce of trying to have a livelihood less preposterous.
            • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

              Sun, May 17, 2009 - 2:53 PM
              Amiable, it's amazing that you were able to establish yourself with people as a catalyst for their personal growth. Few can do that. Perhaps this is one of your 12th house gifts. It is enviable.

              Now, on the career front, the "angry without reason" people are attracted to you. This was formerly true for me as well, and Barbara mentioned it above also. These people are the wrench in the machinery. These are the ones who destroy our jobs, lives, romances-- everything. I remember having neighbors, dates, employers, teachers, etc.... people who had the power to stop life events when I lived on the East Coast, and with rare exception... became angry at me! Whether or not we are doing something to bring this on ourselves is probably individual. Some 12th house people are not very good people but cannot see it. Others... are not bad people, so the first assumption has to be that these "loonies" are feeling some sort of dominating energy from us that causes them to freak out.

              Unfortunately, this is our survival that's getting wrecked; they get us fired, they demote us, they put us at the top of the layoff list. Worse, they exclude us from opportunities for which we'd be excellent candidates. I feel your pain!

              There simply MUST be ways of placating Pluto et al in the 12th. Let me tell a story here.... after 5 years of destructive career events in Uranus' 2nd house, I did some research. Many have said High-tech careers, working around electricity, or being self-employed is the only way around having trouble at work. When I first moved here, I took a temporary job in transportation, only to find the place overstaffed, with many unwritten rules and priveleges (favoring only those with seniority), and a chaotic way of accomplishing tasks. They immediately resented me, wouldn't listen to a thing I said, and were totally uncooperative at integrating me. It was a helpless backstab situation. I only lasted two of the six weeks, with a high-drama firing that could have easilty been handled over the phone, explained simply as an overstaffing issue.

              Long story short, It ended with a shock, but I did become self-employed later as planned. The problem with Uranus in 2nd is that self-employed people lose clients easily, often don't get paid, and suffer in the end. So the self-employment lauded by certain astrologers is not an ideal solution for living in Uranus' 2nd. The real solution appears to be the high-tech situation that promises a steady paycheck. I refuse to work retail (certain poverty) so an electronics store is out, and the island good-old-boy network is certain to preclude me from applying at the local electric company. The only alternative (which is in the works right now) is science..... can't give you the details just yet, but deep in my heart this has always been my preferred career, but it was killed by the lack of guideance from my family. They're survivalists, not actualizers who would see me as a scientist. So if I'm to stay here, I have to go this route, really. The next year or so will foretell whether I have a long-term future here. I do have an alternate location in Perth, Australia, which actually has a much better chart than here. If I'm to go, I'll have to find a backdoor visa of some kind, probably as a student. I need more education anyway.

              My suggestion still holds for you for Nova Scotia, it's incredible. I realize you are held down right now. Crossing national boundaries is certainly not easy. Having a destroyed life, however, is even more difficult. Many 12th housers born in North America could find refuge in Atlantic Canada, but unfortunately, most don't believe me. 99% of the people out there would never consider living in Newfoundland, let alone Nova Scotia-- even most Canadians! Perhaps that will change with the coming oil prosperity.

              So, where do we find the 12th House Pluto "loopholes"? How does one transcend, mitigate, and diffuse this nasty unavoidable energy?
              • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                Sun, May 17, 2009 - 3:57 PM
                <Amiable, it's amazing that you were able to establish yourself with people as a catalyst for their personal growth. Few can do that. Perhaps this is one of your 12th house gifts. It is enviable.>

                Usually, this winds up being more like I show up somewhere, everything goes berserk, and I leave. LOL. I have a very conservative demeanor and was raised in diplomatic circles, so it isn't that I have an instigating personality in that way. But I don't go out much, except for errands, since I have no idea what is going to happen. None of it has been of a dangerous variety. Just really odd.

                A rare night out with a friend at a bar I am acquainted with, but visit maybe once or twice a year ~ yes, a year ~ turned into something out of Fellini with it only becoming stranger once we left. Two strangers, a man and a woman, neither of whom knew each other, at some point in the evening, without my knowledge, wound up betting $200 on which one would get in me in bed. (They had a fight in the street about it that almost got physical after we left.) As I said, too, I was with a "date." My poor friend wound up being goosed at the bar by some random female, and since he had hardly been out of his own house in, like, ten years, the antics in this normally rather boring place really had him scratching his head. During the course of the evening, I had my hair braided, my back massaged, several turns on a dance floor. When my friend and I left, as we were walking down the street, a young man in a group of people fell to his knees on the sidewalk and proclaimed that I was his goddess. By this time, now on the alert for the unusual, I gave him my blessing and walked on. My friend and I walked the female from the bar to her car, which is where the fight over me started. Somehow, I commanded the situation and told the guy that he was no longer welcome and to get lost, which he did, and then told the female she was in no condition to drive and took her keys. My friend and I drove her home in her car and spent the night, which entailed the two of us sleeping on livingroom sofas and sending the lady to bed in her room. That was after more massages and a seemingly endless amount of beer.

                Years before this, I was very depressed following a disappointing love affair, and just was stretched out on my bed feeling very punk. The phone rang, and it was my friend and landlord who asked me if I could do a friend of his a favor. He then launched into a tale of psychic attack and curses and so on and wanted to know if he could bring himself and three other people over to my one-chair livingroom and have a kind of consult. The next thing I knew, I was sitting around with these total strangers and devising a ritual to be timed by a transit of Mars in which they and others who didn't know they would be participating. I had never done anything like this before.

                Well, this evolved into a fairly frequent, quasi-camouflaged group meeting timed to planetary transits that went on for a few years until I just backed out ~ although I remain friends with almost all the individuals involved. The outcome of the initial Mars ritual was almost immediately confirmed by a totally bizarre synchronicity involving someone else I did not know who lives in in the Pacific Northwest, which is a whole story to itself. In any event, the person in question around whom all this attention was centered wound up never being bothered by the malevolent person she feared, and also wound up successfully repelling for good a cohort of that person, who went so far as to break into her home. This whole deal went on for about five years before I pulled the plug. There have been some parties that I have gone to where the most peculiar things seem to happen that are focused on me as well, but they are almost too numerous to discuss and go back to when I was in my 20's.

                I really don't understand it. I mean you really have to go out of your way to get me out of the house. But as soon as I step out the door, unless it is just for the usual runs to the store or fast food place, which, thank God, still seem normal enough, things go through the looking glass, with totally unpredictable results, although for me, anyway, at least they have the benefit of usually being humorous, but outrageously so in my book.

                I have been told by certain sensitive people who touch me that I have a healing energy. But it looks disruptive in its healing, if you ask me. Not necessarily painful, but disruptive. Like things get set off their normal courses.

                I totally get what you are saying about the "angry without reason" people in the workplace ~ I see that over and over in spades. All of the jobs that I have had are, in all honesty, "beneath me" in terms of skills, talents, education, and knowledge. It is depressing to basically do what a machine could do just because the place has no machine. But I have not been able to break out of this. One supervisor I had said the she thought it was unconsciencably amazing that the higher ups couldn't see what I had to offer even though I was right under their noses. Unfortunately, she had fibromyalgia and left shortly after that conversation. I am not a geek, although I would consider retooling myself that way, even though I am not a quanitiative type.

                Basically, I am a writer who doesn't write. Except here. And here, well, I created a village that people still remember and refer to at random times on the astrology tribe. There I live in the 12th House ~ the last house on Natal Chart Circle in a period Victorian tesseract where I keep a Large Hadron Collider in my basement and have magnificient gardens and a firepit where I fall asleep at my own parties. The rooms in my house keep moving around, so that if I take one of my heavy Medieval books out my library, I may have to lug it around for days before the room comes back around again so I can put it away. I live in Astroville. And I did my best to get everyone I knew in the astrology tribe included there ~ and even a Hawaiian sheriff who only lurked in the tribe became a fixture there. (He was chasing bandersnatches, btw). It is quite easy for me to lapse from one world into another. You can't tell me that isn't a skill for which there is a need in this modern world!
                • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                  Sun, May 17, 2009 - 4:25 PM
                  I am not sure at all how to take my 12th House into positive work experiences. I am tending toward using my 11H Leo Uranus opp 5H Aqua Moon, especially in its current transit ~ Uranus conj Mars in Pisces 7h opp Saturn conj Merc Virgo 1H ~ to give me some ideas as well as momentum. Ceres is transiting my 12H, with natal Leo Sun conj Pluto and Virgo Jupiter there, which is a different matter entirely.

                  With 12H Virgo Jupiter conj my Asc, and Mercury being my chart ruler and in my 1H, and having a Gemini MC, I am totally seeing this as a time for high communication. What escapes me at the moment is a venue and a plan. But I am convinced that somehow Mercury is instrumental, especially since in transit it is approaching my Gemini MC. I'd be interested in what you think of that assessment. Especially with Uranus shaking things up from a Pisces oppostion.

                  What I do see is that I am totally stuck with a very stubborn hand at the moment, and cannot even travel for a few days, let alone relocate. I suspect that genetically my mother is programmed to live a very long time, which is swell with me, but which severely limits my personal options. And the older she gets, the truer this becomes. She is 86 now. I see her living well into her 90's. Natally, I have Ceres in Aries in my 8H, which makes perfect sense to me, and which more or less defines a relationship with my mother of shared resources ~ remember I am an only child. I had an excellent childhood with excellent parents, but everything went belly up when I hit puberty and was engaging with my peers. I have always had much more social success with old people, and now I am becoming one myself. Don't look it, but it is a fact. Another 15 years, and I will be approaching 70. At that point, what point would there be in relocating?
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                    Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                    Tue, May 19, 2009 - 6:49 PM
                    lol, steve, one question. you complain because you moved and your uranus happened to fall in your 12th?

                    some ppl are born with it =P (yet by no means ive had the same or similar circunstances youve had), maybe you should get over yourself (or move again, now to an area where ur planet wouldnt fall in the 12th)
                    • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                      Tue, May 19, 2009 - 9:09 PM
                      Interesting. Uranus, Saturn, & Neptune in Cap all conj in 12H. Hey. It might also be that you have the good fortune to have lived where it isn't and hasn't been a problem for you.

                      And he did move, dude, 5000 miles away to where the madness stopped. Maybe you didn't read the post very well.
                      • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                        Tue, May 19, 2009 - 9:13 PM
                        " It might also be that you have the good fortune to have lived where it isn't and hasn't been a problem for you. "

                        May be! just as im sure having the benefics and the malefics in trine is fortunate too.

                        "Maybe you didn't read the post very well"

                        Nah, it was too long.
                        • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                          Tue, May 19, 2009 - 9:20 PM
                          Lazy ass. Maybe if you read it you wouldn't be so cocky. On the other hand, your obviously extreme vanity probably won't allow you to be anything but cocky. I have no patience for people like you.
                          • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                            Wed, May 20, 2009 - 9:08 PM
                            my, and youre supposed to be amiable? have you really looked up that word in a dictionary?

                            anyway, my extreme vanity does allow me to just not care whatever a hag had to say, so, keep on ranting if you get your kicks out of being obnoxious to other people.

                            oh, and i was just trying to be affable and courteous. just in your way, though.
                            • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                              Thu, May 21, 2009 - 7:56 AM
                              <oh, and i was just trying to be affable and courteous. >

                              If you mean toward Steven4, telling someone to get over themselves and admiting that you can't be bothered to read someone's post before feeling free to comment on it, especially those sorts of comments, in my book, is arrogant and disrespectful. That was what I was responding to ~ your arrogance and disrespect. Seeing on your profile page how much you romance the mirror, it is a smal wonder.
                              • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                                Thu, May 21, 2009 - 6:00 PM
                                "If you mean toward Steven4"

                                No, i meant towards you.

                                "That was what I was responding to ~ your arrogance and disrespect."

                                Are you kidding me?? As if you werent arrogant and disrespectful to other people, please! Have you a serious case of Alz Heimer or do you just prefer to convieniently forget the majority of your posts and threads were you basically are, well, not precisely amiable to someone else? Specifically, this "this aquarius woman" thread and some others (whatcha gonna say you were responding to in that thread, that guys ignorance or naiviete? Right). Whats your books title, by the way? "How to be passive agressive jerk and turn out to be as polite and mature in the end while outsmarting someone else"? Please.

                                And, romancing the mirror? Yeah, you might just be right about that. =) Still, I find its better to romance the mirror than animals and put up a million pictures of them. IMO. Seriously, 10 pages of pictures of animals??

                                Hm. Maybe theyre the only ones who wouldnt lash out at yet more of your subtle, arrogant, holier-than-thou, YET at the same time mature, wise and amiable provokations.

                                Yeah, keep kidding yourself, go do that while going through most of your posts in several threads, lol. At least im not all hypocrite about my flaws =)
                                • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                                  Thu, May 21, 2009 - 6:13 PM
                                  Thank you for doing an excellent job of proving my point about you without my having to say one further word.
                                  • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                                    Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:20 PM
                                    I do, however, feel honor-bound to expose you as both lazy and, as a consequence, a liar, since anyone looking at my album will see that even prior to, but certainly by Page 3, there are humans pictured; and by Page 10, you have entered into my garden and antiquities section. You, Luis, are a liar pure and simple, and too lazy to avoid being one.

                                    Perhaps you should review your 12th House for signs of the character flaws you are flaunting here. And it would be good to check your aspects as well.

                                    I am amiable to the good guys, but, like the desert fathers, not particularly tolerant of the "misguided." I have no need of a dictionary, thank you. But you might stand to read about the desert hermits at the time of the Early Church to understand what is actually meant by an amiable hermit.

                                    And I am happy to put up my Leo 12H Pluto conj Sun and Virgo 12H Jupiter conj Asc against your Uranus, Saturn, & Neptune in Cap all conj in 12H any day. Especially having had way more life experiences than you have had. You need to look at something besides the mirror ~ and trust me ~ there are way more prettier faces than yours, comapanero, even at my age.
                                    • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                                      Fri, May 22, 2009 - 10:34 AM
                                      "And I am happy to put up my Leo 12H Pluto conj Sun and Virgo 12H Jupiter conj Asc against your Uranus, Saturn, & Neptune in Cap all conj in 12H any day"

                                      Oh yeah?? As if Virgo were such a defiant sign. Not only are they all in Cap and in the 12th, but my Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are all conjunct each other and Sat and Nep conjunct my Asc too. As for Pluto, its exactly conjunct my Moon, both in Scorpio and both sextiling my
                                      Asc as well, so id guess again about what sign is more instinctual and survivor-like.

                                      Bring it on, sister!
                                      • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                                        Fri, May 22, 2009 - 1:41 PM
                                        <so id guess again about what sign is more instinctual and survivor-like.>

                                        LOL! Don't you know that Capricorn is one of the stodgiest signs of the Zodiac, if not THE stodgiest? C'mon ~ ruled by Saturn ~ the stodgiest of planets. Maybe you need to study more.

                                        You don't seeem to read very well, either, so I will spell it out in another way for your little brain ~ 12H Leo Sun conj 12H Leo Pluto with 12H Virgo Juipter conj Asc. You don't think Leo is a defiant sign, particularly when compared to the goat? I believe lions hunt down and eat goats, not the other way around.


                                        • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                                          Fri, May 22, 2009 - 3:02 PM
                                          " You don't think Leo is a defiant sign, particularly when compared to the goat? "

                                          Now now, its me who doesnt read very well yet you couldnt notice how i was referring to to Scorpio, not exactly Cap? Geesh.

                                          Thats so smart though, blaming the transiting planets for your tantrum? Oh yes, the blame game. Cause thats so mature =)

                                          Excuses.
                    • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

                      Wed, May 20, 2009 - 10:05 PM
                      Luis, I did leave my Uranus 12th house. I wouldn't wish my experience on anyone, even someone who told me to "get over it." Scasco came up with an explanation for the "amplification" of events as he put it.... that Aries ruled my Natal 8th house, ruled by Mars, squared to Pluto conjunct with the Moon. It is severely afflicted, and I'm still trying to find out why everything has calmed down now that I'm out of the area. My current location is safe, so I may not be able to leave it, really.
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                    Re: Mercury near Gemini MC

                    Wed, May 20, 2009 - 10:14 PM
                    Amiable, it looks like a career energy to me, Merc should speed things along toward.... something radically different, boosted by the continuing power of the Uranus/Saturn opposition that peaked last November 3rd. (Yes, it reached perfect opposition on election day, fancy that.)

                    I see a new job, a revolutionary one for you personally.

                    Regarding relocating, the Venus energy in NS should bring better health, some abundance, and happiness. Even if you retire there, the outside world will become more like Astroville. I see excellent social interaction and powerful allies there to help you in life. You also have the ultimate "home" energy there, Moon in 4th. It is enviable. Even at age 70, it would, in my opinion, make life a lot easier and certainly more enriched. The NS people are freaking awesome, by the way. I've never met a rotten one.
                    • Re: Mercury near Gemini MC

                      Thu, May 21, 2009 - 8:11 AM
                      Thanks once more, Steven4, for your help. I hope that this transiting energy jump starts things since I have been slumped for so long that an injection of some sort of revolutionary energy would feel like an incredible relief.

                      The way is not yet clear about relocation, but I will put NS at the top of the list of places to investigate once the opportunities arise for me to make autonomous plans.

                      It sounds to me as though you have found your own home, and a very lovely one at that. Enjoy it. Like Don Henley said, "Don't look back...."
                      LOL. Well, a peek, now and then....<wink>

                      www.youtube.com/watch
    • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

      Sat, May 16, 2009 - 11:31 AM
      Barbara, things got worse when I moved partially West, it only got better after I moved 5,000 miles. Not everybody can. Losing everything and not having anything of value intrinsically and extrinsically made it easier for me to do so.
  • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

    Fri, May 22, 2009 - 1:53 PM
    Sorry to get into a brawl with this pipsqueak on your thread, Steven4, but with T Uranus conjuncting my 7H Mars in this Saturn/Uranus opp, and T Moon, Venus, and Mars all in Aries 8H right now, suffering fools who insult my friends is not my strong suit at the moment.
    • Re: Pipsqueak defense...

      Sat, May 23, 2009 - 12:07 AM
      Well, many thanks for your defense, it's an honor. He's just another vindictive Moon in Scorpio who is choosing the low road rather than the high road. I've got a war story about (my stalker) a hateful person who had that aspect. As you know, he's DEAD and increased his karmic debt to overload. Long story short, the pipsqueak is asking for a world of hurt.
      • Re: Pipsqueak defense...

        Sat, May 23, 2009 - 12:51 AM
        I am so glad you brought up Scorpio Moon! I have had my experience with this Moon as well and believe that it is one of the most emotionally unconscious placements of all. The one that I knew extremely well had an 8H Scorp Moon, and totally could not face his own psychological motivations and behaviors nor deal with emotional responsibility to others. The most avoidant person I have every met. At the time that I knew him, he left a swath of destruction in his wake and would not deal with any of it head on ~ just kept running away. Unfortunately, this was a karmic relationship, so as much I tried myself to avoid its inception, which took over a year, inevitably it happened anyway. It was also the most bizarre relationship I have ever had, with a cast of peripheral characters that included four members of the clergy, a psychic, a number of pipe organ builders, an archaeologist, and an group of people with whom I was later to have more than a passing acquaintance. For approximately a year and a half, my entire world became surreal. In the end, he tried to leave without going away. Naturally, that was completely unacceptable.

        One thing I have noticed about tribe is that it seems overpopulated with people who have Moons in Scorpio. I don't think you can throw a rock around here without hitting a dozen of them. I have come to know a few of them who seem to have come to some kind of terms with this Moon, but I cannot help but instinctively be repulsed by most of them, feeling a revulsion even before learning that their Moons are in Scorpio. I also find the females with this placement evoking this gut reaction far less than the males who have it.

        To have a Scorpio Moon conj Pluto just seems like overkill.
        • Re: Pipsqueak's 12th Pluto/Moon/Neptune

          Mon, May 25, 2009 - 8:00 PM
          "The most avoidant person I have every met. At the time that I knew him, he left a swath of destruction in his wake and would not deal with any of it head on"

          Do hate unto others and RUN. This was my evil stalker's modus operandi.... remain unaccountable at any cost. But he had to deal with the fallout, and eventually, I believe, enough of his victims wished death upon him that it manifested. Not to mention the protection spell I cast against him, which may or may not have bound him. It was NOT intentional on my part, though I did include anyone he ran up against . It was an umbrella spell. He's in hell now having temper tantrums over it.

          On a separate note... yes, the 12th Pluto/Moon in Scorpio....is just too much. Pipsqueak has his work cut out! The only way to deal with people like this is to not get sucked into their anger-mongering.
          • Re: Pipsqueak's 12th Pluto/Moon/Neptune

            Mon, May 25, 2009 - 9:06 PM
            "yes, the 12th Pluto/Moon in Scorpio....is just too much"

            "12th" ? Please, its the 10th.

            "The only way to deal with people like this is to not get sucked into their anger-mongering. "

            Or another way to deal with people like this is forgeting youre in an online discussion forum when you are, take things just a little bit personal, and siding with someone else, pretending youre understanding and sympathetic while towards those beings you could probably judge as lesser (or just less fortunate, for that matter) and who have their work cut out or are just plain "misguided" and provoke immediate, automatic, repulsive/nauseating reactions in you.

            Cause, you know, thats just "the kind of people" i may as well be being classified as.
            • Re: Pipsqueak's 12th Pluto/Moon/Neptune

              Mon, May 25, 2009 - 9:17 PM
              To me, in a way, having a Scorpio Moon-Pluto conjunction in the house of Capricorn (10) is almost worse for you than if that were in the 12th, although you have a pack of stuff there already. Scorpio and Capricorn are not very keen on each other, to say the least. A Scorpio `10th House looks rather problematic. Unless, of course, you like law enforcement or espionage ~ possibly EMT work if you are at all into helping people, which is not something you are displaying in spades at the moment.
            • Re: Pipsqueak's 12th Pluto/Moon/Neptune

              Tue, May 26, 2009 - 12:38 AM
              The negative attention you seek, Pipsqueak, is self-directed. I am not angry at you. If anything, I pity you.

              The 10th house conjunction - is corrected. So it's trouble for your coworkers instead of being directed at you. Eventually it circles around back at you, without fail. You have enough 12th house planets to know better. Take the high road, dude.
  • Re: Back to the Cassandra Effect

    Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:39 PM
    Steven4 ~

    This present hiatus from a job has set me into serious contemplation mode ~ isn't that so un-12th House of me? HA!

    In an earlier post, you discussed having a 2H Uranus and the craziness that has caused. I have an 11H Leo Uranus opp 5H Aqua Moon conj Chiron, and it is square my 2H Libra Neptune. It gets weird, too.

    I started thinking about my various experiences working in offices, in institutions (churches and a school), and in groups, and some realizations began to crystallize in my mind. You are right about attracting some very peculiar people and situations. In addition having to deal with the apparent quota of nasties, I recalled that when I thought school I also had to cope with someone who went completely postal and made a particular target out of me, even though we were team-teaching and had gotten along very well until the afternoon he came completely unglued. He wound up getting himself fired, but it was only a matter of weeks before I lost my job for the following school year. Even though I had done nothing, still there was the taint of being the inexplicable target that sort of created a suspicious "glow," if you know what I mean.

    Frankly, I have had my fill of these sorts of office and group merriments, both at work and elsewhere, but particularly at work. It is just too disruptive and upsetting to deal with these types of situations when the object is to focus and perform your best. As it happens, a few days ago new friend on tribe mentioned looking into transcription work, and I am thinking that this might be the retooling direction I have been looking for. It is not so divorced from my previous jobs that there isn't some cross-over in experience and skills; it taps into my accented Virgoan detailed nature; it is linguistic rather than quantitative; it can be quite a flexible occupation in terms of a schedule; it can pay very well; training looks to be comparatively short and inexpensive; and I might be able do this sort of thing principally from a home office. I am trying not to get my hopes up, but a cursory look at this avenue is encouraging. There are several prospective ways to go in this field, too, so it looks as though there can be some sort of variety, which would be nice as well. With Mercury now out of retrograde, it is even possible to take some sort of action if this looks like the way to go.

    I really feel like this is what it means to "work with your chart."
    • Re: Back to the Cassandra Effect

      Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:10 PM
      "Frankly, I have had my fill of these sorts of office and group merriments, both at work and elsewhere, but particularly at work"

      Are you referring to negative aspects only? Besides the opposition and square you mention, are there any trines, or sextiles or anything? Or does "bad stuff" definitely shadow "good stuff"?

      Personally, my Uranus is not really aspected.

      Besides a conjunction to both Saturn and Neptune, theres a sextile to the MH. A trine to Mars is the only significant aspect its got, but, besides that, i dont really consider the other ones.

      I do myself tend to get surrounded by the weirdest people too (or maybe theyre attracted to me, idk). This people tend to be VERY proactive and extroverted, but very delusive too.

      I dont get such a strong feeling that Uranus is the one at work there... maybe Neptune, idk.
      • Re: Back to the Cassandra Effect

        Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:35 PM
        <Are you referring to negative aspects only? Besides the opposition and square you mention, are there any trines, or sextiles or anything? Or does "bad stuff" definitely shadow "good stuff"? >

        My 11H Leo Uranus trines my 3H Scorpio Saturn, but that is not in my mind the greatest combo. And that T-square is rather strong.

        But I am focusing on workplace experience in this case. I have what I have lived to go by.
        • Re: Back to the Cassandra Effect

          Thu, June 4, 2009 - 11:00 PM
          <My 11H Leo Uranus trines my 3H Scorpio Saturn, but that is not in my mind the greatest combo>

          I may not be being entirely fair with that since it is probably the case that Uranus is shaking Saturn up to add an energy and unconventionality to communication and expression that, without that, might make that area (3H) way too stodgy and serious. Likewise, Saturn probably tempers the Uranian influence so it doesn't get too carried away. So, yeah, that can be good. It just can't do enough to offset the harsh square Saturn has with my 12H Sun/Pluto conjunction, at least as it seems to me.
    • Re: Transcription...

      Sat, June 6, 2009 - 6:21 PM
      Amiable, I find that the 11th house Uranus brings charming misfits if it's aspected well. I believe your 12th Pluto brings out those going postal. Perhaps combined, it brings un-average people who abuse.

      Follow your heart; my job prospect from months ago has not yet panned out, and I'm actually taking it for granted that it will. The energies raining down right now are helpful. Jupiter is about to go retrograde until October. So there's a lot of trickiness going on in the background.

      There's more going on right now than we suspect. Look introspectively at what you'd REALLY like to do for a vocation and see if some opportunity shows up.
      • Re: Transcription...

        Sun, June 7, 2009 - 12:22 AM
        <There's more going on right now than we suspect. Look introspectively at what you'd REALLY like to do for a vocation and see if some opportunity shows up.>

        I have no burning passions. At this point in my life, I am where I must find a way to be liberated through the quality of life in whatever is NOT a vocation. I am viewing a vocation as a means to do that. I am fortunate in that many things interest me, and I am able to be interested in many things that are not necessarily inherently interesting sometimes as well. Looking into this notion of taking up transcription as an occupation is, in fact, what is arising from my being introspective and considering the scope of my circumstances, options, interests, and needs. It has many attractive features to me, most of which involve being able to have a freedom that I find myself craving. That sense of freedom alone would go a long way toward healing the miasmas I sense have been planted in my soul over the years as a result of having had to conform to the structures imposed upon me by others and "the way things are."
      • thank U!!!!

        Tue, July 28, 2009 - 2:15 AM

        Steve4, thanks for bringing out the realm of uranus / 12th house...

        this position on my chart had forced me to disassociate.

        Yes, when Im in the middle of a Uranian situation that I cannot bear, I disassociate my mind and I split.
        Another Jolie seems to walk away from me and gets crashed by the tears, but I appear to everyone very calm and controlled.

        Disassociation has been my weapon against this CRAZY uranus at 12th.

        Some nasty people seems to be the actors of the lunatic circus.

        Or maybe Im losing my mind ;)

        My best regards!!!
        • Re: thank U!!!!

          Wed, July 29, 2009 - 1:12 AM
          Jolie, is your Pluto in 12th, too? I've been trying to separate the effects of either planet, they're both cold, dark, and mysterious. Count on Uranus to be much less straightforward than Pluto. At least with Pluto, you know where you stand!
          • Re: thank U!!!!

            Wed, July 29, 2009 - 3:11 AM
            Yes. With Pluto, I do know where I stand. But for me, he is not cold ~ he just feeds into the fire of my Sun. I get cremated rather more often than I care to be.
          • Hi Steve4!

            Wed, July 29, 2009 - 11:46 PM

            I LOVE Uranus, but on 12th house I really have the fear of losing my mind in the middle of the street (forever) because of the unexpected, incredible moments that sometimes happen to me.

            I have 12th house Uranus in Scorpio trine with 8th house Jupiter conj. Mars.

            The last time I disassociate... well, a friend of mine told me REALLY bad news, and she didnt know that her words were tearing me apart. She kept talking and talking... and I was just thinking on the "other" Jolie, who was on a bathroom crying.

            Well, I do have Pluto (11th house) OPP Moon (5th house).
            Maybe I've got to take a little time on the underworld (disassociation) in order to face tragedy... is like a "gift of survival", like self harm (I dont do that), people who self harm do this rather than suicide. And they disassociate before they cut themselves.

            Thank U for posting about Uranus on 12th house!!!! You really know about the lunatic asylum, yep, is not easy.

            My best regards... !!!!
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    Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

    Tue, December 1, 2009 - 3:57 AM
    hi,
    sorry for bumping this thread, but it sounds intriguing, and i've got a question. i'm not understanding why it matters where you live. what do you mean by living several miles east of uranus being in a persons 1st house? does anyone know?
    • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

      Tue, December 1, 2009 - 4:21 AM
      That is relocation astrology. By placing yourself in a location where your natal planets would be in different houses, you can have a different set of life circumstances.
      • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

        Wed, December 2, 2009 - 10:59 PM
        Could be good, could be other than good. for some it works, for others it doesnt do much. Something to keep in mind is the other planets also move with relocation, so may also influence the circumstances and outcomes.
        • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

          Thu, December 3, 2009 - 10:40 PM
          Yes, Attie, it can get MUCH worse if you go in blind and have bad luck or need the karmic lesson. Some aspects stay with us globally. Example of this is Venus Square Mars, if you had it, you'd likely beat up your loved ones whether in Swaziland, California, or Vietnam.
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        Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

        Thu, December 3, 2009 - 1:21 AM
        so if i was born moon in the 12th house side of the 11/12 cusp, and if a hypothetical birth chart done having me born merely 80 miles away puts my moon on the 11th house side of of the cusp, does this mean that my moving to this town would modify my moon towards more 11th house behavior
        • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

          Thu, December 3, 2009 - 8:27 AM
          Do you mind having your moon on the cusp?
          • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

            Thu, December 3, 2009 - 7:00 PM
            Ive never had crazy, strange, violent people shout out me or do anything to me, ever.

            Except for my roommates, where things have tended to go REALLY bad, and have ended up with me having the Police's number on my cellphone, putting a lock on my rooms door (yes) and bordering on psychotic behavior just listening to every little noise and watching their every single move trying to figure out just what exactly are they doing and what exactly might they do next.

            I really identified with that part. Asides (AAALLL) that, nope. Im not a weird accident prone person either.
            • danger

              Thu, December 3, 2009 - 8:20 PM

              I love the Uranus in 12th house theme, I wish more people could elaborate their experiences here...
              I guess this Uranus placement put me in danger when I was a child... I was 4 years old, I was in the park with my mother, suddenly I dissappeared, she announced “my case” on TV and in the radio. My parents found me in a house of a lady who used to gather poor children and she made them work for her, selling candies on the streets. I was saved, but... in order to make it to that lady’s, I had to cross a crowded avenue, so no one could explain how I ended there.
              Also... when I was 6-7 years old, my father used to keep gasoline and other dangerous liquids on glass bottles of coca cola, so I remember (many times) being around those bottles trying to drink them... I got the gasoline almost in my lips, but everytime, my mother yelled at me that the food was already ready, or something distracted me, so I never drank the bottles.

              Maybe having Uranus in 12th in trine with Jupiter saved me ;)
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            Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

            Fri, December 4, 2009 - 10:58 PM
            thanks amiable. i think i understand relocation astrology now

            attie - i think being such a subjective person with so many planets in the 4th (sun conjunct uranus, merc, venus, and neptune) i'd prefer to have a more public side to my personality. my venus in sag loves life and people, and moon in 12th feels trapped and inhibited from the emotional richness of life. it's even more a tease with leo rising just taunting me with what i could be doing. don't know if being so exactly on the cusp (4 minutes birth time from the 11th house) alleviates the 12th house imprisonment somewhat.
        • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

          Thu, December 3, 2009 - 10:44 PM
          Ned, to get rid of your 12th Moon, it would depend on how far East you'd have to move. 80 miles would be lucky, it's usually much farther. This is why so many USAers find a respite in Atlantic Canada. Also, the end of the 11th is almost 12th anyway, so a big change would need more distance. But then, you might move your Pluto or Uranus into some worse fate. Best get a chart done.
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            Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

            Fri, December 4, 2009 - 11:14 PM
            i was born 4 minutes from having a 11th house moon. actually, a move of merely 30 miles will place my moon in the 11th house so i don't need a full 80 miles. and unlike the case with a move to atlantic canada, none of my other houses in my chart change with such a short move.

            so you don't think there remains something to be said of what side of a cusp the planet falls under in terms of which house characteristics predominate?
    • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

      Thu, December 3, 2009 - 10:38 PM
      Ned, it can be measured. I know someone well who lived both West and East of their Mars ascendant and we've done quite a bit of discussion about it. An ASC separates the 12th (East) from the 1st (West). The same applies to their Uranus ASC, a very dangerous place to live within 500 miles or so, actually.
  • Re: Uranus in 12th - The Lunatic Asylum

    Fri, December 4, 2009 - 11:55 AM
    I find using sidereal helps when looking at my birth chart. The shifting that occurs pushes, Moon, Pluto, Uranus, and Ascendant all together placed with Virgo. Of course this still leaves Sun in a cusp position (Capricorn/Aquarius) which seems workable at least from my perspective.

    Using tropical Uranus and Ascendant sit in Libra, which to me seems confusing.

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