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Hi all! I'm new to tribe and astrology but I have a curiosity regarding Venus in the 12th house in terms of personal love/friendships/relationships.
I just wanted to ask anyone who has Venus in the 12th house whether or not they believe that painful love/relationship experiences are just something we should come to accept with this placement. I also want to discuss aspects to Venus in the 12th house. Do you believe there are aspects that can intensify or balance out this interpretation?
For example I have 12th Venus (Libra) in opposition to 7th house Jupiter (in Aries). From what I've read, Jupiter is suppose to bring luck to the area of the chart it touches. For the 7th house that would be contracts, partnerships and marriage. Although I am initially lucky in this area, something always manages to sabotage it.
I am fairly new to astrology so I apologize if my interpretations are incorrect or don't make sense. Any comments on this topic would be much appreciated!
- Kristin
I just wanted to ask anyone who has Venus in the 12th house whether or not they believe that painful love/relationship experiences are just something we should come to accept with this placement. I also want to discuss aspects to Venus in the 12th house. Do you believe there are aspects that can intensify or balance out this interpretation?
For example I have 12th Venus (Libra) in opposition to 7th house Jupiter (in Aries). From what I've read, Jupiter is suppose to bring luck to the area of the chart it touches. For the 7th house that would be contracts, partnerships and marriage. Although I am initially lucky in this area, something always manages to sabotage it.
I am fairly new to astrology so I apologize if my interpretations are incorrect or don't make sense. Any comments on this topic would be much appreciated!
- Kristin
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Fri, February 13, 2009 - 11:09 AMKristin,
I have Venus in the 12th (Sun, too) and i don't experience this placement as painful relationships. My relationships have had elements of secrecy involved though, and spiritual growth - other attributes of the 12th.
Also, Venus means not only love-stuff but everything that we value. and, while the 7th house is of partnership and marriage, the 5th is for affairs - relationships that aren't 'partnerships' per se.
Aspects involving Saturn (dampener/squasher) or Neptune (dissolver) might be the saboteur?
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Sat, September 12, 2009 - 8:31 AMHi Emily,
I have Jupiter, the Sun, Venus, Mars, and Pluto in the 12th in Leo. My Jupiter is square Saturn in Scorpio in the third, and my Saturn is conjunct the Moon. I have been an emotional basket case for my entire life, and have experienced incredible pain in love and relationship issues...I can also relate to the secretive aspects of Venus in the 12th. I often feel my 12th house planets are 'being kept in check', if that makes sense!
Namaste'
Melody
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Fri, February 13, 2009 - 12:23 PMI have found this sight to be good info....
www.dkfoundation.co.uk/BookKa...e12.htm
Venus H12:
Venus in the 12th House confers the ability to love selflessly and unconditionally. In their childhoods, people with this placement of Venus are often made to feel that others more needy have first call on the parents’ love and time. Although it may indicate a loveless childhood, it may also show up in the charts of people who grew up in a warm environment but one in which there was no scope to be demanding, often because a sibling needed special attention. It may also indicate ‘smother love'.
In their adult years people with Venus in H12 expect little back from others and their relationships are frequently characterised by imbalance in the matter of loving and giving. Although they may have a vision of the ideal relationship in which there is reciprocity, it is notable that many people with Venus in H12 feel stifled and trapped when they are made the focus of another's affections. They know true fulfillment when they are able to merge with a higher level of consciousness.
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Sun, February 15, 2009 - 6:26 PMI have Venus (aries) and Mars (Aries) both in the 12th house. One thing I do know is that I def do find myself in unbalanced relationships.
Where I am more the giver partner when I should stand up for my needs too sometimes. I also find myself dating guys who seem in need of "help". Mostly in inspirational, guidance kind of ways. I need to stop picking these relationship types because they just never seem to work!
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Sat, September 12, 2009 - 8:36 AMHi Cassie, I have Venus in the 12th in Leo and I too can't seem to stop attracting or being attracted to people who are in need of my help! Not sure I really want to keep doing this!
Melody
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Thu, February 26, 2009 - 12:23 AMAh dear. It's almost difficult to hear really accurate things which portend to a birth chart.
But---
"The truth shall set you free!"
-Anne of Green Gables (probably she was quoting someone else)
I have been feeling the lack of reciprocity lately. And I'm sort of getting to that adult.. land... (how dreary!) so I guess that makes sense. It has bothered me a little bit from time to time; the scales seem to be tipped to the extreme in some cases, where I can't even get a word in edge-wise, except to offer help or to cater to the train of thought of the other. I mostly view the situation with something like startled curiosity-- that I am in this position with others and not they with me is a relief. I suspected it was me who evoked this behaviour in people... I'm glad I don't simply have selfish friends, family, and lovers!!!
The only time it is worthwhile to talk about my own stuff is if it's of use or comfort or inspiration to somebody else it seems. I confess to liking this state of affairs. It allows me to help the world in a specific way... I wonder, does this relate mainly to personal relationships? I am wondering what is meant there by "merge with a higher consciousness"-- though I think I know perfectly....
I wasn't over-smothered, though probably the love and attention from my mama was extraordinary. I was never jealous when my little sister came along, apparently exceptionally giving and kind and never complaining about the transfer of attention at all, although I had previously had my mom's total undivided attention and we had the best relationship.
This is nice to recall... things have changed of course....
True about the merging....
11/13/88, 5:56am, winnipeg, manitoba (venus in libra in 12th for me)
Isabel Hickey says something about a guardian angel, or protective energy (can't remember the exact wording)-- for those with venus in the 12th-- anyone have any thoughts on this? -
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Fri, February 27, 2009 - 11:30 AMabout that sharing your own experience to enlighten or reach to others, i do that but i'm also mercury and sun in 12th with mer in retrograde. it takes me a long time to get there. all about me is usually a mystery with many theories going until then.
i think i share more than i actually do apparently. i think i'm very open, people tell me i'm secretive. ?
mmm.. guardian angel? not sure about that.
permanently stuck in a dream. just wish people could accept peace instead of aggressiveness. i don't know if you can relate, i'm pretty 12thy.
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Wed, February 18, 2009 - 8:15 AMi heard it makes you need either hide feelings for someone or the relationship itself. it makes a person suffer in love and use themselves as (this is purely what i've heard) in a sacrificial way. sounds great huh? but at the same time it's said no one can love like a venus in 12th, there is no selfishness involved in the way they love which is kinda nice to hear : )
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 3:33 PMKeeks, my 7th house is seriously impoverished, there aren't even any asteroids in there. When I relocated, there were STILL no planets there. Ugh! So.... dates just refuse to happen, it seems. So don't fret. Perhaps rocky relations are better than none because with the right transcendance and the right person, it can work if you've let go of the bad energies.
I'm big on relocation, because it saved my life, perhaps literally. You need to move WEST into your Venus 1st house. You may become seriously attractive both physically and emotionally, especially if you're near the Venus ASC. Email me your chart info and I'll tell you the location to move to and what nasties may arise there. Please don't get cranky if your best place ends up being Saskachewan, It may be Alaska or farther if you're in BC now. Hugz.
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Wed, March 18, 2009 - 4:12 PMI have Venus in the 12th house(in Gemini). I have formed incredibly deep connections with those I have loved...the problem is always that these relationships are short-term.. And I am always sort of left behind somehow. But I recently decided I would savor the relationships when I have them and try to make them as glorious as possible. Despite being a hopeless romantic..and desiring longterm connections.. I try not to focus on future possibilites when I meet someone new. I attempt to exist in the moment and follow my desires. Perhaps eventually I will find myself pleasantly surprised...perhaps not.. but the experiences I cherish and gain strength from ... This is all I can say in terms of acceptance of this placement. -
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Sun, March 22, 2009 - 9:57 PMYour very description of yourself, Siieveh, speaks of Venus in the 12th to me--
"Introverted, Artistic lass. With a certain affection for kitties, winter, the sea, bodies of water, open spaces, life by night, decadence, pleasure, beauty, art."
The 12th is where your pleasures play out and tastes are expressed, largely? -
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Thu, March 26, 2009 - 4:05 PMYes, I would say so. I also have Moon in Gemini in the 12th house...
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Sun, March 22, 2009 - 11:40 PMThat is an excellent strategy, to be sure.
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Fri, April 10, 2009 - 11:59 AMAn excellent description. I (especially recently as uranus reaches Venus) experience the same, in actually quite unrealisticly similar patterns each time. My Venus is also in pices, and as an aquarius, or generally earthy/airy person it is extremely uncomprehensible. Every encounter with a girl is as glorious as if it was Venus in person, and then it seems to end with no reason, and regardless of whether it seems that those girls actually still like me. I also concluded that the attempt you described will be the way to go forward for now.
So, I have a question, do you think that it is actually us who kind of move on, but in order for us to not feel guilty we project that outwards? It seems a bit like that to me..I have a strong urge to be free, but when I am "in love" (sweet love) that seems to become somewhat "invisible". I wonder if it is more the uranian side or actually venus that causes all these weird outcomes,..? -
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Fri, April 10, 2009 - 4:04 PMbeing a fixed earth sign & despite having lots of air in my chart... I can say I don't move on very easily..I don't know what exactly I might project outwards but perhaps it is not me at all that is projecting anything...simply the fates and their spinning. but since the same patterns emerge again, and again ...I needed to develop a way of working through or in relationships which i mentioned in my earlier post.
I wonder if that strong urge to be free is somehow related to the 12th house as well? because I am so similar in that regard.
I think you were addressing me with your questions...if not, ah.. well...just some musing.
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 10:55 AMMy Sagittarian Venus ............also is Venus (Taurus) in 12th House
squared with Saturn and it conjuncts with Mars? And rules my Sun.
So for me it makes me reckless and unrealistic in love, heavily sensual and likely to have it badly often in romance.
Also makes my business endeavors iffy.
But with age some things improve in the planets as well as the self fulfillment undertakings.
I'd rather have the latter part of my life good than bad. So just be careful says I to meself.. ^_^ -
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 1:30 AMI think everyone likes to talk about themselves on these astrology tribes..even im guilty -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 11:48 AMA lot of us are looking for self-understanding so we can better relate to others. -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 6:12 PMTrue. "Know thyself". -
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 2:18 AMsometimes the most potent remedy for knowing thyself is to lose the self, and find the vast nothingness without. You can see more of yourself through the world around you, rather then on a screen. I come on here through a combination of boredom, curiosity and self gratification through displaying what I already instincively know about myself but shairing that undeveloped knowledge through this screen, knowing i would find deeper understanding by watching human nature around me without saying or thinking anything...
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 2:23 AMand from what Ive seen i think allot of people that write on these tribes are fulfilling their ego, which isnt bad at all, just to me its not knowledge that will withstand the test of time.. the words and viewpoints transfered on this screen will wither away and fade like passing clouds in the sky -
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 2:27 AMAnd yet still remain for people to find on Google or another search engine, like digital Akashic records. Things pass, but also live on in some form. -
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 2:39 AMbut do you not think there is a difference between thinking an experience and living an experience? Im not saying these forums are void of use, but that, actually going out and living amongst our fellow brothers and sisters is more useful and actually necessary then exchanging ideals and philosophies over a screen
maybe im wrong, but my belief is if one could purifye themself through meditation and walking without baggage in existence, eventually, they would see all things, and all knowledge needed to be known for that moment they are in will come to them naturally without struggle or tension.. through meditation you perhapse could view every single aspect of all knowledge...but then i guess you would no longer really need to exist on this plane, your vibration would be that high, beacuse basically everything goes back to the light, into the void, where all these words are meaningless, its the intent behind things that generates its own power -
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 2:46 AMbut then i guess, if you believe in karma, we are here for the reason of learning to use words correctly to communicate effectively to come to some kind of balance within ourselves and amongst eachother as without language we are easily led back to relying on pure animal instincts which could bring about much untapped energy thats been stuffed in the hole by Saturn to teach us we cant use energy without proper groundwork and structure si im wrong and right at once
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 2:59 AMmachine of clouds ~
I don't make such a sharp distinction between the experience of thought and "livng" experiences because for me they are inseparable. "Going out and living amongst our fellow brothers and sisters" sometimes is very unsatisfying when the people that you know are not interested in your interests. Accommodating their interests only goes so far when it is basically a one-way street. I think that people often have to seek connections where they exist, which is often on the web, since many times they are simply not available in one's environs.
Meditation is a highly solitary activity more often than not, and I am not sure how far for the majority of us one's inner world encompasses the All. Very few people are in a position to live in a state of meditation because the crops need to be harvested by someone. It is tricky to be both of and beyond the world, and we usually have to practice being that way for a long time before finding a true balance. At least that is my experience. -
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 5:51 AMi think we just have very different views and obviously this all comes down to personal experience through individual life paths and patterns.
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 6:20 AMIn my opinion, to say "believe in Karma",
is similar to saying "believe in Nature"...
as, in my experience, there is absolutely no
question as to the reality of either.
Actions will no doubt cause reactions.
The law of cause and effect.
Simple ; )
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 1:09 PMI think a lot of people are trying to satisfy their ego drives, whether in life or on the screen. But some of the connections i've seen made between people on these astrology boards seem very genuine and pure in comparision to random conversations I will have with strangers. Everyone wants something from someone. Most people don't want to genuinly and purely ask you questions for your own sake. There's always some sort of motivation to conversation. Maybe you can live purely in a moment out in the universe:
"sometimes the most potent remedy for knowing thyself is to lose the self, and find the vast nothingness without. You can see more of yourself through the world around you, rather then on a screen."
It can be perceived that you coming on to this board and telling us your advice, or what you think is best, is you trying to fulfill a part of your ego. Because you think you know what's best for everyone. Or is it because you truly care about all of us, and want us to see a side of the world that we are missing when we are on here. We all have ego's, even when were trying to deny the ego its because of the ego. -
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Thu, August 6, 2009 - 2:01 PMi got sun and venus in 12th-
venus - when it comes to love relationship during my 20-40s, i found myself in clandestine and hidden relationships
or not the norm
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Re: Venus in the 12th house
Thu, August 6, 2009 - 7:08 PMJade
just out of curiousity, what signs do your 12th house sun and Venus fall into?
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Fri, August 7, 2009 - 1:29 PMI have a venus / neptune opposition, which is more or less similar to a 12th house venus. I also experience "dream lovers" such as famous people and accept that trait as innocent day dreaming. In real life, I have trouble keeping a relationship as soon as everything gets settled. Then I loose interest, especially when it comes to sex. During some very lucid moments, I have realized that actually I just don't want a real relationship with a flesh & blood person. I want a dream lover and a dream relationship. Yet, I keep on hoping that one day I will be *cured* miraculously, LOL. Of course I won't. The best I can manage is a series of short term romances. Currently I'm in an on-off relationship that has been going on for over a year. I want to be with him for the rest of my life - that is how it feels for me. But knowing me, even this relationship probably won't last that long. My maximum so far was 4 years - I was married then. To me, 4 years feels like eternity.
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Sat, August 29, 2009 - 5:34 PMI've got Venus in Virgo Retrograde in the 12th conjunct the South Node.
I've been hurt by many people that I really loved. It's impossible for me to think that I could have a conventional relationship with anyone. Realtionships carry deep spiritual meaning for me. I find most people too cynical and caught up in their egos for my taste. I'm no prize either, believe me. I usually find myself thinking 'Would this person be open to how I feel?', 'Would that person love me if they knew me?'
I'm attracted to art and music, all forms of beauty. Venus is at 15Vi53 and my Ascendant is 20Vi21, so I tend to feel the influence of the 1st to a greater extent than if Venus was buried deeper in the 12th.
I fantasize a lot but would never consider being unfaithful to my wife. Never have. Venus is about putting your feelings into a form that you can present to other people. It's an awareness that wants to feel loved and admired and give love.
I believe Venus is the voice of God that shows love and wants love. You might ask yourself, 'Why would God want love? God is perfect.'
I would say God wants loves just because he/she is perfect.
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Sun, October 18, 2009 - 1:16 PMI have venus in libra, conjunct my mars also in libra. My mars conjuncts both pluto and juno in libra and all are in my 12th house which has libra on the cusp. I can relate to the falling in love with love/ unobtainable relationships. Also being decieved and seeing only what I wanted to see at that time. Perhaps it's also due to having pisces rule my 5th house? Well in any case, I don't see it as inevidatable, something I'm doomed to repeat. Rather it's something I've grown to be more aware of and realising that yeah, in that area in my life I need to step back and think before leaping. Gain emotional distance. If I don't then yeah I can see myself very easily falling back into that trap. I think it's more a matter of knowing what your weaknessess are and learning to deal and readjust. At least for me this rings true.
