ESP ability?

topic posted Mon, November 20, 2006 - 3:29 PM by  offlineSongbird
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I am curious... the 12 house is associated with different extra-sensory espressions, so I wonder... does anyone else experience extreme sensitivity?

... sorry, I knew I was going to word this poorly.

I have a 12th house moon and South Node, ... generally, I understand people on an instinctual level, have come clairvoyance, some precognition... Other people's motives behind their emotions sometimes seems very transparent.

Any other kooky 12th house folks?
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    Wed, November 22, 2006 - 8:04 PM
    yep! mercury in pisces in the 12 house...heehee!

    unfortunately i have not much control over it - otherwise i'd be in the bahamas right now spening my lottery winnings! :-P
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      Wed, November 22, 2006 - 11:51 PM
      Ha!

      HELL YEAH!

      With my cabana boy bringing me something with tequila in it.

      ... or rum. I like rum more than tequila...
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        Thu, November 23, 2006 - 9:03 AM
        Yes&Dream work is important too!
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          Thu, November 23, 2006 - 11:05 AM
          Yanno... I rarely dream. I learned years ago how to "guide" my dreams and am only starting to not allow my fear to guide me out or away from situations I find emotionally unpleasant. (In real life, I take things either head's on or through careful indirection through which I gather information before I take things head's on. ... Gemini moon in the 12th... and no, I don't always understand where or how I get my information, but I always do.)

          So, I am curious... what do you mean by dream work? Is there something specific?

          And I did learn to guide my dreams because, as a kid, I couldn't take the intensity of them... sometimes, I can't still. Control freak over myself I am....

          So, yeah...
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            Thu, November 23, 2006 - 11:33 AM
            not sure if this will help with your situation...but i do believe there is more to dreaming then the sub/unconscious playing itself out in the background. i do believe there are parallel universes/worlds we go to.

            but yeah, i'm a crazy 12 house freak ;-P
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              Thu, November 23, 2006 - 12:04 PM
              When I was a student I came across a notice where the seminars were being held that said: 'ESP comes in very sueful at exam times.'

              Sometimes, books semed to practically fall into my hands on subjects I was interested in.

              This happened more than once, but on the night before the final exams, I decied it was time to do a little revision and ended up desultorily looking at a play by Sahkespeare and one particular quote.....well, guess what came up the next day, out of all the Shakespeare I could have revised.

              To be fair, it is possible I already got an inkling that this might be a key area from earleir lectures.

              A few years later I met the guy who was doing this kind of research and he told me he thought I looked a bt psychic, he called this particular skill 'question spotting.'

              These days I do not do many exams, but sometimes just get sensitive. Once me and my better half got off the station at a new destination...he marched onto the bus where we were supposed to go without really waiting for me, utterly oblivious, a real case of mad dogs and Englishmen..but I had caught a real feeling of malignancy on the bus, in the area....too much of an inner-city vibe. I got bad vibes, but they did not do me much good. I felt that we were being watched and one of the bus ocupants reminded me of a malicious spirit out of 'faltliners' (Seen it? Good film).

              When we got off the bus, everything fell out of my bumbag so it was clear what had happened. Yes, we had been targetted and my mobile was nicked. Lonely Planet had warned against pickpockets on that bus route, but somehow we had missed that.

              I got to a cafe and emailed t-mobile, but lovely t-mobile still made me cough up for the bills made on my stolen phone, though we were in a country that did not have t-mobile and without a phone, how can you......

              12th House Jupiter, Neptióune and Ceres, though not in conjunction.
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    Mon, December 4, 2006 - 9:44 AM
    "Other people's motives behind their emotions sometimes seems very transparent."

    Oh yes. . . this rings very true for me as well. It really shocks me when other people don't see when someone is trying to be manipulative. It makes me feel like I'm imagining things sometimes, but then I'm usually proved right in the end, so I've learned to trust my intuition.
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      Thu, April 26, 2007 - 10:29 AM
      Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what exactly is ESP?
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        Thu, April 26, 2007 - 10:55 AM
        Extra-sensory perception, the ability to know or sense something that isn't obvious thru one of the 5 senses.
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          Thu, April 26, 2007 - 11:17 AM
          Hmm - think I gotta wrap my brain around that one. But I sorta know what you mean. I think...? Thanx for explaining though : )
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            Thu, April 26, 2007 - 11:21 AM
            In a nutshell it means you can sense things that science says you cannot.
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              Fri, April 27, 2007 - 9:29 AM
              Yeah, I have had a few of those experiences. I don't know if it's due to my 12th house Venus in Scorpio or what, but I have - on very few occations - been able to predict certain little happenings in my life. Like one time, I was waiting for the bus. I had an appointment at a place I had never been, so as I was waiting, I reminded myself to ask the busdriver to let me know when to get off. As I stood there, an "image" or thought appeared in my head, showing me / or warning me that he would forget to tell me, and I would be late for the appointment. That "image" or "thought" disappeared again as quickly as it came, and I really didn't think any more of it. The bus came, I told the busdriver where I was going and asked me if he could let me know when we got there. And whatta you know - he forgot to tell me, and I was half an hour late!

              I've had several of these experiences, only this is the only one I can think of right now.

              At another occasion, late one night before I was about to fall asleep, I felt this strange sensation of someone's spirit in my room. It was a warm kind of energy - not cold, like I've heard others explain it to be. I looked around in the dim light. There was nobody there, of course. Not for the naked eye to see, anyway. But as I closed my eyes, I swear I could feel some kind of presence around me. Not hostile or anything. Rather calming. I have no idea who this could be, though. But it felt quite real, and I wanted to hold on to it while it lasted.

              That was four years ago now, and it haven't happened again since. But every now and again, there are these particular unexplainable experiences that somehow stand out.
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                Sat, May 19, 2007 - 3:02 AM
                yup. extremely sensitive. can see thru most people straight into their intentions & pick up on unvoiced emotions. can predict logical outcomes in what seems to me to be deductive reasoning, but others seem to lack. these things seem obvious to me (along with underlying causes of people's behavior/issues), but others are often shocked &/or refuse to believe until what i've said proves true. have been told i bring up topics people are thinking about. this has been met with extreme resistance at times (which, unfortunately, i don't usually foresee). i've had more than one person explode at me, saying, 'aren't you ever wrong!?' to which i can only say, dude, i'm not trying to be right--i'm trying to keep you from falling in that hole up there in your path that you apparently can't see. oh, and i know if i'll fall in love with someone about 5 seconds after meeting them, picking up on the intensity of the connection that's to come way before it's actually established. that part can suck, b/c they never see it so soon & the inside info makes me kind of nervous/overcompensate with playing it cool.
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                  Mon, June 11, 2007 - 1:05 PM
                  Wow... cre8rix I do the EXACT same thing with people. I pick up on everyone's emotions, thoughts, and intentions around me, although I don't always bring it up. not sure if it's because I have mercury in the eighth house, but there are times when I bring up what they're thinking and they explode too. lol guess it's a gift and a curse thing
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    Thu, August 9, 2007 - 2:04 PM
    Yes... My understanding of this is because 12th house deals so much with past lives. Basically, you've seen it all and what others call "intuition" is really logic to 12th house people. I've also noted in with many 12th house people that we often play the role of a scapegoat or victim of circumstance... giving us not only extra insight about things that people without 12th house placements are often oblivious to, but causes us to be much more hyper-sensitive or understanding of what is at the root of everything. We also excercise our psychic ability simply from learning to cope, navigate, and survive the karmic challenges 12th house people face.
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      Wed, August 29, 2007 - 4:29 PM
      Wow,
      I'm so glad I found this tribe. This is a very interesting--and personal--topic. Here's the deal with me: I've always had that "extra" something, however, I don't dare classify it as ESP. My mother (who's chart I've never seen) who's got it more than I do has always said I'm just "sensitive." There was a period in my teenage years when I would "know" people. I picked up on their emotions, no-matter how hard they were hiding them. It used to bother me. That doesn't happen anymore. In fact, it's all gotten significantly weaker as I age. I used to sense energy shifting in rooms. I'd be home alone and things would move on their own. I remember once when I was probably 12 I was home alone and I kept hearing dishes being thrown against the kitchen wall. I go downstairs, still hearing the clashing as I go, but once I got to the kitchen--nothing. No mess, no nothing. I sat outside for the rest of the night until my family got back from the store lol. Other things I remember: the TV turning on and off by itself (the knob actually being pushed in and pulled out), dryer doors opening and closing, footsteps up and down the wood-floored hallway when noone but me was home. That stuff doesn't happen so much anymore. I don't think I am as "receptive" as I used to be. I always was the one who picked up on what I used to call "ironies." I used to say that knowing the future wasn't a magical ability to see anything (which, for some people it actually is), but just picking up on the cycles of the universe. I used to notice things and put two-and-two together. This was, however, after both "twos" had transpired, usually and I'd be sitting there saying to myself, "how ironic..."

      Thing is, I don't have ANY planets in my 12th house. But my 12th is in Gemini which, we all know, is the messenger sign. Also, Gem is the sign of the twin and perhaps it's my "12th house twin" or my karmic being that picks up on these things, not necessarily "me" who gets up everyday, goes to work, etc.

      My boyfriend, however, has scared me with some of the things he's seen. He confessed one day as a child he saw how members of his family were going to pass away. He used to have these god-awful vivid dreams that would scare him and he'd stay awake all night and the next day he'd tell me he couldn't sleep because of all the "chatter" in his dreams and the things he saw that were "so real." He's got Jupiter, Saturn AND Pluto in his 12th house. I mean, that's spooky. He hasn't had any problems with his dreams lately, he tells me but sometimes he's up all night and sleeps all day for no reason. It's just "easier" for him, he says.

      One of the things I first noticed on him, ironically, is he's got amazingly deep eyes. Deeper than I've ever seen. It's like you can see other worlds if you stare long enough. Now I know this is all because of his 12th house placements.
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        Fri, August 31, 2007 - 2:03 PM
        I have my moon in the 12th house as well as north node and uranus. I have always had the ability pick up on other peoples emotions, As a child I could see Auras around people, but after being made fun of I somehow lost that ability, but I could still feel them. I have never been wrong about a person yet. I usually get a feeling or sometimes I get sick to my stomach when I am around a person who is hiding something. I can be in a great mood and my husband can come home and I end up being in a bad mood. I am picking up on his feelings even if he is not showing it. I am sure this has alot to do with why I prefer to be alone most of the time.
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          Fri, August 31, 2007 - 10:56 PM
          Fuck. I do that, too. Sometimes, it feels like I can broadcast my mood to others and other times, I get caught up in other's moods. Me and my partner have had entire arguments about who's bad mood is stinking up the place and talk about it, damnit! (... I have Venus in Virgo along with my 12th house moon conj ASC.

          You'd hate me when I was hiding something... which is probably something really little... however, I have a good bullshit detector when I wanna have one -- otherwise, I can be a really easy touch. ... Nep squares my moon. :(

          I wish I had your sassy Cardinal Air moon! Having a Mutable Air moon makes people think I am emotionally unstable!
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        Mon, January 21, 2008 - 11:49 AM
        "He's got Jupiter, Saturn AND Pluto in his 12th house."

        Depending on which software I plug my numbers into I have that too. Most of the time though, Pluto sneaks off into the first house. With just the heavy hitters (Jupiter & Saturn) I'm sure the weird shit that I see in my dreams during the day and night, asleep and awake, may come from that placement. But, to be fair, Mars (8th House) and his rockin' opposition to Uranus, Pluto, and Neptune might have something to do with it. Mercury opposed to Neptune and Neptune (in the Third House) might make me all cryptic and prophetic sounding anyway. :) I can't sort through all of these oppositions and the 12th House things to know which is which. I'm not going to claim to be able to move shit with my mind I just know I like to take a break from people from time to time and that I dream about weird shit.

        That my dreams are expansive and with form and that they could conquer me and ride me towards their chosen destiny.
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          Mon, January 21, 2008 - 12:06 PM
          by mars I meant moon, too, lol
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            Mon, January 21, 2008 - 1:14 PM
            "That my dreams are expansive and with form and that they could conquer me and ride me towards their chosen destiny." Great emotions!

            How about this? Jupiter in the 12th squaring the ruler of the 12th (Mercury) in Cancer/9th whose dispositor (the Moon in Aries) opposes Pluto on the Ascendant?

            P.S. With Pluto opposing the Moon and squaring Venus I get the Nietzsche quote!
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              Tue, January 22, 2008 - 9:45 PM
              "Jupiter in the 12th squaring the ruler of the 12th (Mercury) in Cancer/9th whose dispositor (the Moon in Aries) opposes Pluto on the Ascendant?"

              Jupiter is the ruler of the 9th house. They have a time share, Mercury and Jupiter. I might have been born in springtime but I think they are in their Winter Positions (this is a metaphor, ok? :) ). So I see where you are going with mentioning this....

              but... what's this "dispositor" bit?
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                Tue, January 22, 2008 - 11:24 PM
                Hi! Glad you asked because my idea of dispositor seems to be one of two! The one I used is this: Your Mercury is in Cancer which is ruled by the Moon, so the Moon is Mercury's dispositor. Mercury in sensitive, feeling Cancer says "please don't look at me that way", shuffle. Moon in Aries opposing Pluto says "Well, Fuck You!" (My favourite emotion btw - I'm a frustrated Moon in Aries!) So if your mode of communication seems a little more polemic and hot headed than its watery placement suggests, then you need look no further than its dispositor! The dispositor modifies the planet's behaviour.

                "The Moon, for example, rules all planets in Cancer - it is the dispositor of any planet in Cancer in the chart. Planets in Cancer will look to the Moon for guidance on how they can express themselves. The ruling planet is thought to impose form and structure on the expression of the planet ruled." - Kevin Burk in Astrology: Understanding the Birth Chart.

                The other definition is here: www.astrologyweekly.com/dictio...tor.php (and has to do with the ruler on the cusp of the house that the planet inhabits) and requires more IQ points to handle than I got this time round.

                … and I see Pluto Trines your Venus, and doesn’t square it as I said. Apologies
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                  Wed, January 23, 2008 - 5:49 AM
                  Hi Mark, ruler of 12th is classically Neptune by 12th being the sign of Pisces, not Mercury. I'm not sure if I missed something in your post, tho.
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                    Wed, January 23, 2008 - 1:00 PM
                    Hi Celestial and thanks for the response. I had come across the idea when I first read up stuff in astrology that the ruler of the house was the ruler of the sign on its cusp and I've never known of this other way of doing it. For example in Wikipedia:

                    "In Hellenistic, Vedic, Medieval and Renaissance astrology each house is ruled by the planet that rules the sign on its cusp. For example, if a person has the sign Aries on the cusp of their 7th house, then the planet Mars is said to "rule" their 7th house. This means that when a planet is allotted a house, its nature comes to have some bearing on that specific topic in the person's life, and that planet is said to be very important for events specifically pertaining to that topic. The placement of this planet in the chart will have at least as much influence on the chart as the planets within the house."

                    But now I see that there is also this way! What to do? Clearly both must have their merits, but maybe there are inferences made in one system that one doesn't make in the other? Anyhow, thanks again, I'll keep my ears open for details on this topic and be more wary in future of happily pontificating away on things I am only partly acquainted with!
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                      Wed, January 23, 2008 - 1:52 PM
                      Mark

                      I didn't realize you were talking about a specific chart, I should have read more carefully.

                      Yes you can look at the planet ruling the sign on a house's cusp, but you're also looking at the sign that is normally attributed to that house. ie Pisces is the 12th sign and we associate those qualities with the 12th House. But then each individual is going to have their houses arranged in their natal charts according to what their rising sign is.
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        Mon, January 21, 2008 - 1:46 PM
        "I remember once when I was probably 12 I was home alone and I kept hearing dishes being thrown against the kitchen wall. I go downstairs, still hearing the clashing as I go, but once I got to the kitchen--nothing."

        Great expression for the ruler of the 12th (Mercury) conjunct Mars in Aries! Are you sure it wasn't really you who wanted to smash all those f***ing plates! ;-) Interestingly, maybe that's what a lifetime is about: either submitting to, or conquering one's projections. Perhaps in submitting we conquer, and in conquering we submit? Hmmmm ... sounds like Sagittarian waffling.
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    Sun, September 16, 2007 - 7:25 AM
    Normally, yes. I have prophetic dreams, can "hear" thoughts of others, i just "know" things about others before they tell me.

    But lately, no. for the last year i haven't been able to "know" anything. I feel like this is a learning time for me. An astrological time to "get out of my head" and into the physical. It's a change of some sort. I don't know what it will bring... but i'm open.
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      Tue, September 18, 2007 - 8:30 AM
      I have always had dreams sometimes lucid have even journal some of them.So dreams in my life are important for I feel they guide us in the right direction.
      When someone walks in a room I immediacy can feel their mood.If it's a negative one I will start to feel it to and will need to leave so it doesn't take me down to.

      Zoe-Taurus Moon 12th house
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    Sun, September 23, 2007 - 4:12 PM
    I never knew about this aspect of the 12th house until today when I came across your post. I have sun and mercury in the 12th house and have sometimes been able to tell when there's another presence around. It hasn't happened very often, but it's incredibly strong when it does. I have no idea why this would happen, especially when I can't do anything about it! Once, I visited an office building that had been a housing unit for widows of soldiers of the civil war, and was so overwhelmed by sadness in one particular room, I couldn't breathe. It definitely came from outside of myself. I prayed for a long time for peace for whatever was happening in that place.
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      Wed, December 26, 2007 - 9:29 PM
      I live with a "kooky" 12th house sun (Virgo) who's Neptune in Scorpio has aspects to his 12th house Pluto and Uranus. He also has PLUTO in his 12th house. This is a jealous, evil and manipulative man who has been sucking my energy (literally) for quite some time now. He can certainly read my mind. He only stopped demonstrating after I complained about it in private to other people ad nauseum. Fortunately I learned some defense tricks and have my own 12th house placement (A Virgo Moon) - this means that my spirituality is something that I can try to perfect. 12th house mooners should know how private this makes their emotions. It's weird how separate my true emotions are from the people in my life. It makes singing in front of others a real bitch, too.
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        Wed, December 26, 2007 - 9:31 PM
        Forgot to add that I have had a few precog dreams and super freaky deja vu stuff... I plan on building my esp ... hopefully the virgo moon placement gives it some power. i'm not so sure since virgo isn't an emotional type of sign.
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          Thu, December 27, 2007 - 10:49 AM
          Virgo Moon has been called the "Witch Moon!" Don't sell it short.

          Astrologer Caroline Casey teaches that the Moon tells what Spiritual Lineage (often through the mother's line) is passed down. Virgo involves separating the wheat from the chaff, and harvesting the goodness of life. Virgo is an Earth sign, so your ESP may be earth-based. Working with the EArth (gardening, wild-crafting, crystals & stones, wilderness hiking, Eco-Adventures, protecting wild sacred spaces...etc.) may spark a kind of "organic" ESP that is One with Nature.
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            Fri, December 28, 2007 - 2:42 AM
            Going camping by my self or with a Native American POW WOW are two of the "nature things" that help me reconnect. That is where I find my strength, in nature. Taurus Moon with a bunch of water and some air, basically. I wanted to give birth at a waterfall. If it had worked out I would have. Instead, my darling Pisces Moon was born in a bathtub. Giggle, smile, sigh... talk about feeling connected to the universe, which is the same thing to me as ESP. BTW. Daily, when I am thinking of something my daughter, 2, will say it before I do. I am sure I could read her thoughts as an infant, and visa versa. I think that is a good part of the reason why she is so easily "in the world". If she is away from me, it seems as though I can feel what is going on in her body for much of the time.
            I remember coming across an ESP center in northern Michigan when I was a little girl. I wished I had experienced what this center had to offer. Well, if it was supportive.
            I get, when I am more centered, meaning "going with it" even if it is a most challenging time, I am "in tune".
            I do not like when I hear people's negative thoughts around a subject I stand firm on, and is the right thing to do. I start to feel less confident. And, have to work hard to tune them out. I do not mind opposing ideas. I do mind negativity. By the way, I do find sometimes the negative thoughts are coming directly from me and I have to address them.
            I have been thinking more about "following" the moon, like what sign it is in, more to see if I can find some "connected" correlations.
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              Sat, December 29, 2007 - 1:43 PM
              Hi Stephanie,
              There is a wonderful astrological moon calendar, datebook, and daily guide to natural rhythms for women called "We'Moon-gaia rythms for womyn". (yes I spelled that correctly) It enables me to follow the moon and any other astrological aspects that may happen thought the year. And, YES, the moons placement can have quite an impact on us. Every year they have a theme. This year is "mending the web."
              I have ordered this guide for 10 years. It is beautiful and positive. If your interested---- www.wemoon.ws ---

              For all the fellas out there--I wish there was a "we moon for man" I have always looked but so far to no avail. I try to read the beautiful poems and show the artwork to my husband when I have a chance.

              Re: esp abilities. Oh yes. It seems there is a consensus on this thread that we can definitely feel the vibe of our exterior surroundings. Or events to come, or the veil between the worlds.

              One occurrence for me, I dreamed of my fathers passing through a very powerful dream, and the next day I got the call he was in the hospital. After he died-- he came for a visit. It was in my dream but I knew it was him. He let me know he was doing well and that he loved me. He took me to a place (town) in the dream that I didn't quite understand at the time. 2 months later I was standing in Missoula Montana and realized that was where he had brought me. I lived there for 3 years with my --now husband-- whom I connected with through the events of my fathers death. I believe nothing is ever coincidence. Sometimes I know when his presence is near.
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            Fri, December 28, 2007 - 9:51 AM
            Wow Maggie, thank you for that helpful info. I'm a crystal freak, by the way. I have over 30! I also recently started putting logs in my room. I definitely get more energy from being out in nature - I tend to take walks every other day/night in my neighborhood (it's full of trees). I'm a Cap, so the nature appeal is doubly so. Mom is a Cancer moon - super sensitive but never tried to develop her abilities.

            I feel connected with more than the earth, though... I experience synchronicity several times a day now - mostly in the form of triple or double numbers. I've done a few spells and they seem to work... I was told that I have shaman-like abilities and feel like I'll become more into energy work in 2008 since Pluto is moving into my 4th house then.
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        Sat, December 29, 2007 - 11:32 AM
        Mmmm, I do know this one well...

        I have taken hard stances before... being sure to mark out what was other people's "shit" and what was mine. Then, I had to learn how to share my emotions with others in personal relationships vs say work relationships or outside of work affiliations.

        He cannot read your mind -- he can read your emotionality. And it is evil. What this does for a 12th house mooner is to drive them farther into themselves (and expression and self-awareness) in order to protect something you feel is private.

        I have a Gemini 12th house moon... luckily, I have exactly two ways I feel about everything... and if I really am indifferent, I try being indifferent -- if people want to come into my head, be warned: I am neither simple nor conventional... although I feel that way to myself... I have learned how to mask my emotions by not showing them on my face. People try to extrapolate how I will feel or think about things based on other situations and then I have to show them their bias while I try to figure out how I *really* feel... which does take isolation.

        I learned defenses, too. Mostly to deaden stimuli so I could process without... and I have found the best defense is to sometimes smile when you don't mean it, vary your emotional responses so they are harder to track... and if you aren't people pleasing, cultivate the idea that what you feel, what you actually feel is precious and you don't have to share that with anyone besides those you trust not to manipulate you or try to use that information for their own good.
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          Sun, December 30, 2007 - 7:29 PM
          I like your thinking. How do you know he can't read my mind, though? The most blatant moment for me was after a wine party last December, during a child's card game (some pattern-match game where you have to get rid of your cards the fastest to win). I was repeating the types of cards that I needed in my head (cat, dog, ball, etc), repeatedly, as they were being laid out for us... after a couple of minutes of my mental repetition, my roommate began to vocalize this repetition exactly how I had it in my head - but with his cards and not mine, of course. It was a bit shocking but at the same time I just thought "figures." The gut doesn't lie. It had already told me but it was like a really faint voice that I ignored. Is this an emotional thing or a mind thing?

          The only thing you CAN do is go inward when you're shut in. It has opened me to a deeper level of understanding things, and I'm happy where I am. I definitely get much of my power from privacy. I tend to just try and avoid these types of bad energies lately... my roommate seems to really fluctuate between good deeds and his more evil nature (he bought me a Christmas present - at this point in our "relationship" it's hilarious). Throwing them off is good, especially if you have acting talents - (I'm a natural born actor, seriously) and I understand this... I haven't tried experimenting with shifting emotions, though... I'm gonna try that now! Anything that keeps me safer. Thanks! Mars just went into my 9th house, too... I'll be spontaneous for a while I bet.
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            Sun, December 30, 2007 - 7:33 PM
            Oh yeah... another question - have you pretended to be upset in order to throw neg-types off? I could just be one crazy-ass basket of forced- emotions if that's what it takes. I can tap into them pretty easily. I'll have to practice on working with them in front of people though.
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              Mon, December 31, 2007 - 2:02 AM
              I don't like to brag... but yeah. It makes me feel... *takes index finger and rotates it around ear a couple of times*... but I can totally call forth an emotion and allow it to consume me and then shut it off later with a snap.

              Maybe he can "read your mind" -- but I bet there's another tell. Besides, having a 12th house moon means it could be conjunct your ASC and it seems that makes it easier for other people to see what's going on -- to see your wheels churning.

              I had to teach myself a dispassionate look/eye.
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    Fri, February 29, 2008 - 9:24 AM
    I have Mercury and Neptune in conjunct in the 12th sitting only 5 degrees from my ascendant. Psychic, yes. A total sponge for people's emotions, yes.
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    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 2:19 PM
    Hello!!
    I am new to this tribe and astrology but very interested. I have 3 planets in the 12th house. Moon in Aquarius, venus in aquarius, and mars in pisces. I have always been interested in ghost stories and the paranormal. But honestly, it scares the crap out of me. Here lately I have been noticing different things though. I tend to wear-out quickly when socializing and prefer to be alone. I can sense how people are feeling and usually what their thinking. I absorb so much of everyone else, I loose myself completely. I also just moved into a home and I have been having some weird visions and dreams. Mainly about a woman that used to live here. I see things out of the corner of my eye and shadows. It is really freaking me out. I don't want to be afraid, but I am. I want to embrace this "ability" instead of run from it. If anyone could help me understand this a little more I would appreciate it.
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      Sat, May 10, 2008 - 6:55 AM
      Hi, Leslie,

      Your experiences sound very interesting. And I sense that you are at the beginning of a lifelong study. There is a saying (that I got from Z Budapest): "Knowledge casts out fear." The more learn about these phenomenon, the less afraid you will be.

      Here is a nice non-religious book that can help you see your psychic abilities as talents, which you may decide to develop or not:

      ___Develop Your Psychic Skills___ by Enid Hoffman

      If you DO decide to develop them, then you need to think about WHY. Some reasons could be: Self-knowledge and self-development, scientific experimentation, love for humanity, love for the Earth, healing and transformation, exploration, spiritual development, etc.

      With the Moon and Venus in Aquarius, I would suggest that working with women spiritually and psychically can be very beneficial for you...of course you have to be discerning and choose to work only with those who you agree with, ethically. The Mars in Pisces gives you energy to use in a mystical expression....art, or dance, or music, or other activities that help you express your psychic feelings/visions.

      It sounds as if you are an Empath. You might try googling that word and see the info that is out there for Empaths.

      Blessings on your chosen path!
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    Sat, July 19, 2008 - 9:57 AM
    Do you see me?
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      Sat, July 19, 2008 - 10:10 AM
      I have sun and Mars conjunct in the 12th house. Neptune is right over the Asc in the first house conj my Asc. My Asc is at 0 00. When I was young, I could see beings that looked like everyone else but I knew they weren't. That continued until I was about six then I became aware that I wasn't supposed to see them and began to block them. I could read people before I could speak which was sometimes cool and sometimes very frightening. Between 7-12 I began to realize I could control things with my thoughts and especially with my words. What I would say would happen so I had to learn to watch it. For instance a simple, "Why don't you choke" would cause an instant choking and I had to learn not to do that to amuse myself and my friends because there was nothing amusing about doing that. I had to learn fast to be responsible with that.

      I let go of most of it when I was a teen. Suddenly looking at a person and seeing them dead then having them die shortly afterward was not a nice experience or one I wanted. I also found seeing them afterward to be a bit too much. So, I shut that down as well.

      I've used it some since then. I use it with my soul mates because I'm comfortable with them. I'm wide open to it with one of my brothers and a few close friends. If I wake up and feel the need to go to South Dakota suddenly and it becomes overwhelming, it's inevitably because my best friend has just bought a farm there and hasn't told me yet. That kind of thing. Or, a sudden urge to go to DC only to get a call halfway there that she can't meet me in MI because she is on her way to DC. Those kinds of things happen frequently when I allow myself to be open to it, but I'm very selective.

      What about dreams? My dreams are very vivid and always happen right down to the details.
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        Wed, July 23, 2008 - 2:33 AM
        yeah l dig that.

        I don't have that side of it but l can change the weather and make traffic lights green all the time!

        I do see ghosts though, and have people who have recently died come to me, scared... l move them on after the funerals. I am attracted to houses where spirits need moving on too and l can heal people.

        I can see and predict, can do tarot intuitively, dowse, see aura's, do energy work, talk to spirits etc etc. My psychic ability is increasing now and l think at some point will be asked to do it full time :)

        I have sun/moon/mercury/venus/mars/saturn/nn/(possibly chiron) in my 12th H opposing neptune in my 6th H, jupiter/pluto/uranus in my 5th and thats my entire chart LOL

        Gemini rising
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    Thu, August 7, 2008 - 4:21 PM
    i have mars in gemini in the 12th house, and i get psychic flashes and impressions and i frequently have prophetic dreams
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      Fri, August 8, 2008 - 3:04 AM

      Before a big exam, any kind of exam, I dream a big dream that tells me the ending. In the last one a voice was apologizing to me because "there is no way of avoiding this" - by this meaning the lousy back-up job that I had p[anned in case the first, fabulous one failed. And so it happened, just the next day!
      The guy I like looks like he is very arogant, driven, determined, great communication skiils, great in debats. We love talking to each other, we always have different views but never fight, but suddenly he stops, gets shy, smiles, and gets away from me. He literally has to go somewhere else in the room or exit it - I feel it in my gut that he does it not to give himself away, for horror to show any kind of feelings at all.
      I don't usually obsess about other people, but I can actually feel the struggle inside of him and it even stresses me out:
      I have Mars cnj Venus 12th in Pisces, he has Saturn cnj Pluto in 12th Libra. I am wandering if he has the same ability?

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    Sun, August 31, 2008 - 10:46 PM
    All of the stories posted so far are very interesting. Being a double 12th houser, I actually believe what's been written. Friday night, a ghost opened a door at a new home being built by a friend for his parents. I had stayed late working to clean the place up after the future owner/mother had left, I was alone.

    Nothing like that ever happened to me before. Was it the wind? No, the door was shut tight.

    Such is the 12th house. My neptune in 4th here (relocated) has promised such incidents, but it took four years of living here before it happened.

    So, ESP.... I don't have it so much, but I agree with the others above who are intuitive like myself and "just know" what's going on. Often I can derail subversive acts being committed against others and even myself by merely paying attention. More importantly, third parties VERY often tell me secrets, ones that come into play later on, making a lot of situations transparent. Many times I tell people what to expect from those less-than-savory people around them, but rarely do I get credit for predicting the future.
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    Wed, October 1, 2008 - 1:06 PM
    I completely understand this whole ESP thing.
    I have Sun, Moon, and Mercury all in the 12th house.
    And even my birthday (May 19th) it said that there is an odd psychic thing or whatever associated with ppl born on that day. Mostly libido driven, which i know all too well.
    For some reason, whether it be my own relationships or relationships of others, i always know or **sense** when things will turn out good or bad, and i have a thing with seeing the **writing on the wall** it's like knowing something that most people don't and for that reason, i can't ever find somebody who can truly understand me. I guess i'm all to well aware of certain things before most people and for that, i listen to my intuition and then ppl end up saying i'm this or that, and then i end up being right and they just oh i don't know, hate? My north node is in Sagittarius which also indicates inner knowledge too.
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    Sun, February 8, 2009 - 4:06 AM
    im a kooky 12th house folk. People don't believe i'm a libra unless i show them my birth cirtificate, lol. Sun in libra, mercury in scorpio, and mars in scorpio 12th house.

    i've had so many precognitive dreams and just sights in general, deja vu out the rear, its crazy. I can hide my true intentions and emotions and no one has ever seen through my "act", no one, but i can see through theirs. (me? ego... never.....)
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    Sun, February 8, 2009 - 10:08 AM
    I have Uranus in the 12th as well as Neptune which is only 2 degrees away from my Ascendant. I believe that Neptune is the culprit in my prophetic dreams and ESP type abilities. I often say things that pop into my head randomly and they turn out to be something someone else was about to say.

    I often know the word someone is looking for and I can feel exactly what is going on with people emotionally and such. Empath/HSP types of things. I can even feel emotions through words like on sites like these.

    I agree with everyone else that if I had control of it, I'd be enjoying (and putting to good use) my lottery winnings! I just don't think it works that way, though. :(

    I have a friend who I dreamed about for about a year straight every night and it was as if I was in on his dream, like it wasn't my dream and I was just observing or participating according to his subconscious. VERY weird. I still don't know what to do with that, ahah!
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      Wed, April 1, 2009 - 6:09 PM
      I have some esp, I can read hand writing very well taught to me by a specialist in the field, saved my sister and I from a car wreck early in our lives. Signs come to me with birds! WEIRD! They watch and send me death( every death that has happened in my life). Wild birds especially/
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      Wed, April 15, 2009 - 10:28 PM
      Count me in as one of the many, that are glad to have found this tribe. I had trouble deciding which parts of the thread to click the reply thing to, I related to so many. But I decided upon this one, as it was the first I noticed that mentioned feeling emotion through written word. I feel that, and can read people pretty well in person. I see through liars and sheisters rather quickly. I'm a Taurus sun/Aries moon/Gemini rising, sun, moon, Mercury, and Saturn in the 12th house.

      I really don't experience the ESP thing like many of you speak of, I'm mainly strong with the empathy and intuition/logic thing, and with the Gemini ascendant, I think out many, many different scenarios and outcomes in my head, and find it hard to come to a decicion in certain situations. I have to remind myself at times to trust my first choice in most matters.

      I have Aries in Mercury in the 12th house, and Mercury is also the ruler of my ascending sign. It's like, I'm content with being in the background, but get these urges to be the center of attention at times.
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        Wed, April 15, 2009 - 11:23 PM
        I have Leo Sun conj Pluto and Virgo Jupiter in the 12th with a Virgo Asc and Mercury in the 1st. SN and MC in Gemini. Mercury is my chart ruler. I also have an Aquarius Moon opp Uranus. I am more empathic than telepathic, however. Which often sucks. LOL.
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    Sun, April 19, 2009 - 1:46 PM
    pisces moon 12th house and yes!

    I see past the surface and sense intentions heart-felt and deceptive alike.

    people can be and are often very transparent to me...as are groups and social setting...

    I see both the mask and what lies behind it.

    From this ability I have been called 'discerning'...

    I am learning how to tune in to my perceptions more contiously.
    I really doesnt require effort, more so it just requires me giving focus to the obvious.

    After taking one very intense class, the college instructor suggested I go into forensic science for this reason...
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      Sun, April 19, 2009 - 1:53 PM
      "I am more empathic than telepathic"...

      I am very much both and it does take the fun out of some things.
      (hard to keep me guessing in any moive plot for example..)

      It also makes things hard when you can see before others where things are going and how they will end.
      as not everything ends how we want/hope....

      I have made choices seen far in advance and it has taken those close to me time to see where I was comming from.

      I have used this to do some self observations well and really benefited from it.
      When I was ready to accept my observations.



      • Re: ESP ability?

        Wed, May 6, 2009 - 8:13 PM
        My step father and mother died with me and they spoke to me when they could not talk at the very end. It scared me for awhile but I am grateful that they could get through to me in a very loving way just to say good bye and its alright to die. I have encountered spirits as they call them and they only have come to me to say, I think that they say to me, that their is a beautiful special life after this earth living thing ends in a pyhsical way.( did I spell that right?)
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          Fri, May 8, 2009 - 2:32 AM
          sun & mercury (virgo) uranus & pluto (libra) all in twelfth house.

          Sun sq nept...sext Jup...conj true node
          PL trine Sat...sext nept..
          Merc sq Sat...sext Nept
          Uran conj Chir...sq MC

          Another grateful seeker happy to have sought this tribe..
          kinda like having a magnifying glass effect....cant say double edged sword cos its like everything is so perceptible to me. All five senses and more.
          Often my parents mantras would be "how would you know"...."why dont you give it a chance"
          "how can you be so sure"...etc etc
          Always drawn to supernatural books at school when supposed to be at set tasks...didnt matter cos was a straight A student until I realized how "uncool" that was and began trying to fit in by smoking and drinking...at that point Id rather be out of it than have enemies...cos for some reason ppl either love me or hate me...? Many find me sooo confronting, I say it as it is...either way. As my Dad put it..."some ppl cant handle the truth"
          Used to get dejavu all the time, had awesome lucid dreams, used to daydream a lot, absolutely love nature and gazing into campfires....fascinated with the occult and have experienced tribal magic within civilization.
          Have slipped between dimensions and felt like a way words cannot explain...but I dont fear death...
          Also have been detained on five occasions in psych wards...weird when I never harmed myself or anyone else...
          Its been a very colourful life thus far
          Ive been in rehab 3 times, and been without drugs alcohol for most of the past decade...
          Im still paying the price...my daughter lives with my mum
          but today I went to see my new place! and very soon we will be reunited after a long time...
          So sorry Ive probably overdisclosed...again...
          but its all part of the intensity and the consequences that come of certain responses to that energy....One thing I have learnt that serves me well is that the only way out is through...
          meditate...pray...live in the day and have faith.
          If you can give feedback on the natal info I gave it would be appreciated.
          Your Sistarr of the 12th
          wens+
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            Fri, May 8, 2009 - 3:54 AM
            hey, a weird thing that happens is when myself or someone Im with are talking about freaky stuff...the unexplained, i guess, my eyes kind of weep....its like Im crying but Im not...its an odd response I have to supernatural talk...anyone heard of this or have this happen? Maybe its a 12th house phenomenon???
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              Sun, July 5, 2009 - 9:33 PM
              Hey guys my name is Dionysus(yeah my real name:P), I'm 19 and a practicing professional psychic(I seem to have a natural knowledge base of astrology which I attribute to My transiting Uranus in Pisces in the 10th house).

              I have a Gemini Sun in 12th and a Gemini Mercury in the 12th. The thing is that While I attribute psychic ability to the 12th house I have in my study found some very specific indications of psychic ability. Of course having planets in the water houses are among those indications.
              Okay say for instance me personally these are what I attribute to my own psychic ability(I have found it's different for every psychic but, some things are similar)

              :I have a Cancer rising which makes the Moon the ruler of my chart.Cancer rising makes one very receptive to emotions and things

              :I have a Moon in Pisces in the 9th house. Moon in Pisces is attributed to being psychic on it's own and in the 9th house it is known to become receptive to the super conscious.It has been tested by scientists and over about 51% of the top psychics have either a Sun or a Moon in pisces.

              :Pisces Mid heaven denotes the ability to become involved in some kind of mystical or glamorous career like psychic work or acting.

              :I have a mutual reception between the Moon in pisces in the 9th and Jupiter in cancer in the 1st. That makes Each planet able to function in each others house. Bringing my moon ruled chart to the fore along with my psychic abilities.

              :What I have read is that all of the above is good and all BUT, Having a prominent Neptune or Pluto (angular) connected to a luminary(moon or sun) or the rising bestows the most Exceptional psychic or intuitive talents and I have found this true in almost 100% of the psychic charts I have studied including My own along with my brothers(we have dreamed the same dreams and saw an angel together when young about 15 yrs. old for me)

              : I really attribute the fact that I have a predominance of 41% of the water element and Neptune coming in as 1st as the dominant planet in my chart. Conferring to me the title Neptunian.
              : I think my Mystic Rectangle with a Neptune included in it confer psychic abilities also from what I have gathered.
              :And of course my Uranus conjunct Neptune has a big affect on me.


              I know for a fact that I seem to have the ability to tell through astrology alone whether someone is psychic or not or simply disillusioned.

              The 12th house isn't gonna make EVERYONE psychic. It has to be worked out in the Natal chart.

              For those who really are psychic I think it would benefit you to have your chart analyzed by someone who would do it for free just to see Where and How your psychic ability shows up.

              Thanks for listening take care:D If you have any questions I'll be sure to respond:)
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              Mon, July 6, 2009 - 8:14 AM
              As funny and crazy as this sounds this happens to me too :P It happens mostly when I'm thinking of something sad that I KNOW I should be crying about but, I don't. I don't even feel close to crying and then tars just pour down my eyes without me even feeling sad.

              And then I laugh and say WTF!!!?
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                Mon, July 6, 2009 - 9:36 AM
                Amiable Hermit
                do you have any insight into it?
                have you 'looked into' it?
                for me it's especially about talk of 'ghost's'
                seances and UFO's...
                it hasn't happened for a while now,
                as I do not speak or seem to become
                involved anymore in things I''m dubious of.
                Perhaps they were tears of my divine Mother
                ...or something...?
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                  Mon, July 6, 2009 - 9:42 AM
                  No, not really. For me, I think it is being emotionally overwhelmed momentarily and occurs when connected with some religious feeling.
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                    Re: ESP ability?

                    Mon, July 6, 2009 - 10:05 AM
                    Awesome.
                    Lately my tears ate usually tears of joy in
                    precious moments with 'my' daughter...
                    I think it freaks her out a bit, in a good way..
                    I tell her "s'ok, tears of joy.."
                    so, spose this is considered off topic..
                    perhaps this is more about magnified
                    emotions.?
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                      Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:09 PM
                      I think so. It probably ties in with empathic tendencies more than telepathy, but that doesn't make it "less" extra sensory. I think "tears of joy" is apt. Your daughter will come to understand that in due time when she experiences it. Meanwhile, she has you as a model for the experience, which is a good thing.
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                Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:22 PM
                Dionysus ~

                I totally get that. It can be extremely strange. Sometimes, seemingly from nowhere, something will trigger an epiphany of sorts ~ usually something that seems completely irrelevant. A frigging TV commercial or some nonsense. I think it is about catharsis, which is type of soul purification. During a major crisis, often the focus is about coping and "being there and strong" for other people. It isn't until that time has passed that It is "safe" to integrate a grief or sorrow in one's self. I often find that some vision of beauty in nature or a small act of witnessed kindness can reduce me to a blithering pool of inexplicable tears. I believe this is what is meant by the expression "the gift of tears," which is considered very holy and a sacred blessing.
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                  Mon, July 6, 2009 - 5:42 PM
                  Same for me!(pool of tears thing)
                  Hey do you feel that you are psychic?
                  If so I would like to see your birth chart.
                  I have been studying birth charts of top psychics including mine(not a top psychic YET!:P)
                  I have found patterns and I feel that I would like to study the chart of ANY of the claiming psychics in this group:D
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                    Mon, July 6, 2009 - 6:02 PM
                    I don't claim anything ~ except maybe to being a pain in the ass to some people. LOL! Luis will be happy to tell you just how much, I am sure.

                    My chart is in my album. 12H Leo Sun conj 12H Leo Pluto w/12H Virgo Jupiter conj Asc. All three water signs covered ~ 10H Cancer Venus, 3H Scorpio Saturn, & 7H Pisces Mars. 5H Aqua Moon conj Chiron. 8H Aries Ceres.
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                      Mon, July 6, 2009 - 6:14 PM
                      BTW, my experience of psychism is that it can be very affected by transits. For me, particularly of Uranus, which natally for me is in 11H Leo opp Moon/Chiron conjunction. T Rx Uranus right now is aspecting my Pisces Mars. And Uranus in retrograde mutes and heightens its effects.
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                        Tue, July 7, 2009 - 3:17 PM
                        I see. I'm gonna have to look gonna have to look to your chart to see and then I can actually give you a better understanding of what abilities you may or may not have. I think Mars in Pisces is psychic in a subtle way.
                        I don't think it's a very good place for Mars though.
                        Ok I'm off to look to your chart.
                        The reason I asked was because I have been consciously psychic since about 10yrs. old and I figured you may have been.
                        Honestly right now from your energy I feel that you may be intellectual or just have a strong mental energy Somewhat implementing Intuition.
                        Does the names Carey and Samantha hold any wait with you?
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                          Tue, July 7, 2009 - 3:41 PM
                          No, those names are not particularly significant.

                          Mars in Pisces is not an auspicious placement, however I have met a girl here with the same placement who I say has certain gifts at physic self-defense, which is what I am credited with in some circles.

                          I test in the MBTI as an INFJ. And yes, I do have a strong yang/mental energy that I have consciously cultivated. You must understand that I have a high degree of Mercury in my chart and the not insignificant aspect of an Aqua Moon conj Chiron. Ceres in Aries 8H is also something that I sense strongly.

                          The bottom line for me, however, is that I really don't care whether or not put the label of "psychic" on me. To me that is just irrelevant. I am what I am, and what I am will be perceived by one or another person differently, just as my perception of myself will never be someone else's perception, which is fine. I am a 12th House person ~ we don't expect to be understood by anyone.
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                            Tue, July 7, 2009 - 4:36 PM
                            Lol I understand completely. I'm certain I will NEVER be understood.Either from being Neptunian or having two planets in the 12th.
                            I feel you aren't that hard to understand though and I don't think the 12th house is hard to understand either.
                            I have a different understanding of it then most people but, the only thing I can attribute to your "Hard to understand" idea is that Uranus thing you mentioned as well as that Moon
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                              Tue, July 7, 2009 - 6:03 PM
                              Go ahead and go for it then. I don't find myself hard to understand either. And the 12th House has been my home for 52 years. I have my comforts there.
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                                Tue, July 7, 2009 - 7:45 PM
                                Wow! I admire your age! I'm only 19 but, I'm sure you have had a very hmm... interesting life, Experiencing it out of the 12th house!
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              Tue, July 14, 2009 - 7:51 PM
              Totally understand you.. I have had very strange happenings in my life. I have always seeked for more spiritually. I have never hated nor have I ever wanted to hurt anyone. Always looking at nature and trying to love more. Crying can occur especially when I feel or hear of ones suffering in anyway or I can see where my love ones are heading. Sometimes it is a sad world we live in and other times we live in a beautiful world! God bless our soldiers at war and god bless the children who have no love and the animals that are mistreated! I am a SAP I guess!
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    Wed, July 8, 2009 - 4:26 AM
    Any personal planets aspecting neptune, particularly the moon, would highlight potential psychic abilities, not just 12th house planets, as I would think just having 12th house planets wont necessrally indicate definate clairvoyance. My mother having Moon in pisces in the 4th house, with no 12th house planets, being a prime example of someone with natural psychic abilities that came to life for her at an early age in the home. Having passed on some of that natural awareness of psychic impressionism, Her first son has moon in scorpio conjunct the ascendant, with Uranus in the 12th. he has managed to knock out whole blocks of buildings electricity just by turning up in a bad mood, this happened 3 times at the same place he used to DJ, coincidence? His awareness of peoples hidden agendas and their thought processes come to him like lightning, though he doesnt even realise or have control of his awareness. I have Sun and mercury in pisces both square neptune, and if using equal house i have saturn conjunct pluto in the 12th. I certainly have strong intuition and am very impressionable, able to feel out what other people are thinking, or think what others are feeling, but I dont have any psychic gifts.

    Someone I used to know had mars conjunct neptune in sagittarius. She had a dream where she walked to a university with her mother. Next year, she started university, and on the first day there, walking through the grounds with her mother, she was shocked to find everything happened as in the dream she had a year earlier.

    ESP is when Neptune or anything it rules dishes out extra sattalites in the senses that pick up on subtle vibrations in the enviroment. All neptuinan people percieve the world as something dream like, something subtle is motivating everything around them. That is the goal of the neptunian influenced person, to venture into the unconcious ocean that surounds and conducts our very existence.
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      Wed, July 8, 2009 - 9:35 AM
      my daughter has 12thH Aquarius Neptune conj Asc,squaring Moon/MC
      also Sun, Mercury Jupiter stellium in H6 cancer and sextile Pluto...

      She is a very intuitive child.
      Recently when I went to her room and woke her, she said
      "mummy I have to tell you something...the path to God is the middle way"

      Her Venus is conjunct my Chiron at DC, I read somewhere that can indicate
      karmic ties, of course...plus her 6thH stellium and my 12thH stellium...
      • Re: ESP ability?

        Wed, July 8, 2009 - 9:50 AM
        See there it is! The connection to the ascendant. That's what did it. And the squares make it even more so noticeable.
        You are lucky to have her but you must know that she might not be actively psychic but, she will posses an understanding you may never understand. She will have some experiences that may terrify you.
        Either way she is cool and will be fine:D
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      Wed, July 8, 2009 - 9:47 AM
      You are highly informed buddy! You are in fact very correct when you say a personal planet connected to Neptune and yes In particular the luminaries! Or the ascendant.
      Moon in Pisces is notoriously psychic from birth. It depends on the houses as to whether a person is Actively psychic(Angular houses)
      Knowingly unconsciously psychic(Cadent houses) or Have a physical phenomena attached to their psychic abilities(succedent houses)
      I had this revelation last night!
      I guess my Transiting Uranus in Pisces in the 10th house really is working it's magic:D
      The moon in any of the water signs is psychic and when connected to Neptune they are so much more so.
      Neptune/Pluto are actually what makes one an active psychic. You will see that the top psychics of the world All have their Pluto/Neptune angular and it is connected to either Luminary(sun or moon) or the ascendant.
      I'm so happy someone else perceived this besides me.
      I would like to look at your chart because either way psychic ability is genetic, I'm sure if it skipped you(consciously) your kids will be psychic much more consciously then you(Angular house).
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        Wed, July 8, 2009 - 10:44 AM
        my chart is in my pictures....its not Marks, just to point out.
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          Wed, July 8, 2009 - 10:54 AM
          Lol! Funny thing is your the opposite of me:P
          You're a Pisces Sun with a Gemini Moon
          and I'm a Gemini Sun with a Pisces moon.

          You have two of the major indications of psychic ability(In my head I hear someone stating something on my mixed races race:p It may be someone around here) You have a Neptune in Sagittarius on the Angle and Squared to you Pisces Sun.

          Another one you have is a semisextile to your Ascendant.
          That aspect is one you will have to consciously activate but the Square with the Sun and Neptune is already active!:
          The squares are more prominent in the charts of famous psychics than easy aspects.
          I'm kinda rushing because I have to be somewhere:P So sorry for the cheesy interpretation:P
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            Wed, July 8, 2009 - 11:20 AM
            no its very good. thank you.

            I looked at your profile and realised you were mixed race, probably around the time you were writing your reply. Cancer ascendant may be the indicater of this, perhapse the conjunction of jupiter chiron in 1st house, open acceptance of all races, a coming together. Seems when you were born there was allot of love and cherishment in your coming here.

            I'd think its easier for a piscean moon to fall naturally into the subconcious then moon gemini with sun pisces. I had dyslexia at school and Ive noticed mercury afflicted by neptune or moon seems to indicate this. I have had a precognitive dream of sorts when in teenage years, my second gf, kissed my best friend in the dream...then a week later, it happened in reality. But, I seem to just have had more altered states affect me throughout my life rather then immidiate impressions from the enviroment. I'd say Ive been more of a victim of the ability then the vehicle for which it may flow unobstructed.
            • Re: ESP ability?

              Wed, July 8, 2009 - 11:50 AM
              Wow aw.. sorry to hear that about your 2nd gf.
              Yes it is the Mercury-Neptune aspect that did that.
              It was an actual situation created by the square. I feel bad I can almost feel the emotions associated from going through that.
              Oh I see yes the Neptune in the 1st. I was trying to figure if it simply affected your environment but, I'm guessing it simply meant that your abilities which are present are associated with your home life and environment in some way. The Sun and he 4th house together makes for where you live your life from(the houses).
              I guess the Sun being a powerful factor would in fact flip my interpretation around and make you and your emotions and home life and environment affecting how you use your psychic abilities maybe your father. He may be the one who is psychic. I also feel that the Gemini moon is kinda hard in the 7th house although it would seem to add that you Know what you want in relationships in general it's just that you change what you want constantly. With Neptune semisextiling it you hvae the potential to possibly pick up thoughts from people and see into their lives. You might see things in a scattered way though with the Gemini influence.
              That is something you have to activate though.
              How do these Altered states work?
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                Re: ESP ability?

                Thu, July 9, 2009 - 4:37 AM
                most of my childhood I seriously felt as if i didnt really exist, then it would flip on me and it felt like i was the only thing real and nothing else really existed. I was terrified once as I questioned if my parents were real, as they just didnt seem real to me.

                Father left at 1 years old but i know he has mars in pisces and venus in scorpio, mercury in Sag sextile neptune, he has amaizing sharp wit and humour, and he told me over the phone a couple of years ago that her writes poetry, but has never shown it to anyone.
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                  Thu, July 9, 2009 - 8:01 AM
                  I can totally relate! Wow. I don't ever feel like anything is real either!
                  It's not about being crazy or anything,it's about the emotions.
                  And no one displays to any level I seem to find real.
                  I find movies more real than life because they display more emotion.
                  I know what reality is it's just more like it isn't how I want it to be. At least the people and how they show emotion.
                  This is truly a Neptunian thing indeed.
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                    Re: ESP ability?

                    Tue, July 14, 2009 - 11:09 AM
                    I can relate to what you wrote Dionysus...Sometimes I find movies or Anime more real than life too. Some friends of mine don't understand, but it's all about emotions.

                    About ESP ability, if I understand well it's the ability to be aware of infos you have not gained thanks to the usual 5 senses.
                    I cannot relate directly to the 12 th house individual. I have no planets in my Virgo 12th house ( I have a 29° virgo ascendant).
                    But even Emptiness is Full...lol
                    So looking at my sign ruler I have a Taurus Mercury R in 8th house that conjuncts my 29° Aries Sun.
                    8th house is a water house and like pisces it also deals with psychic stuff.

                    My Mercury R makes me very sensitive to people moods, and they doesn't even need to be physically there. Just a voice or a letter can give me a lot of infos about someone's state of mind.
                    I seem always to read between the lines without me having any control on what is going on.
                    Like I am quite naive and optimistic about people's natures, it is quite annoying to feel bad stuff from them.
                    But i'll not complain- it is better to see the danger before it slap you on the face ! lol

                    I have precognition and postcognition abilities, but I don't control anything. It comes and goes when it wants
                    I have also noticed since I am a child I can ask for something to happen , and it happens. It doesn't always work, but it does most of the time I ask, so I use that gift to pray for people's healing. I sometimes hear "angelic" voices...I can feel people's pain in my own body.
                    I have a Neptune/IC conjunction as well as Moon/Uranus conjunction in 3rd house it may explain a bit all those ESP things.
                    • Re: ESP ability?

                      Tue, July 14, 2009 - 4:17 PM
                      How UN surprising you have psychic abilities that are active.
                      You have Neptune in Capricorn in the 4th house and Trine the Sun in Aries in the 7th house which is Conjunct Mercury in the 8th house which is Trine Neptune:P:D

                      With your neptune conjunct your Sagittarius IC it shows that You can bring understanding to people through your higher mind and Intuitive ability and WITH psychic abilities.

                      Your Moon is in Sagittarius conjunct Uranus in Sagittarius which Shows that VERY sporadic thing you feel you have going on:P

                      With your Mercury in Taurus connected to Neptune it shows that You could have a very grounded connection to your communications with spirits. It could show that you may get gut feelings about people you may have never knew in your family as well as regular people:D

                      Having Neptune angular and connected to a luminary like the sun or the moon or the ascendant(for some people the north node) it shows exceptional psychic ability.;) I have come up with some different classifications on psychic ability for each house with the help of some others inspiring me in a different group.
                      I have figured the psychic people with Neptune in the 4th house would be those who sense the Environmental energy. They can feel energy and maybe emotions that go through them.
                      I would classify you as the psychic Forecaster although your Sagittarius Moon conjunct Uranus have a big influence on how your abilities work.
                      • Re: ESP ability?

                        Wed, July 15, 2009 - 8:02 PM
                        Wow! You're gifted Dyonisus ! I'd like to write and expresss my mind as easily than you do !
                        Thank you so much for that insightful little astro reading ! :D

                        Talking about environmental energy, I relate to that.
                        I had an experience where I expressed out memories that were kept in a flat I lived in. It was really weird. It is quite distabilizing because people think I am moody, but I am not. It is just that I catch things that have nothing to do with my inner state.
                        Before I didn't understand it so well, but now I am more and more learning, thanks to people like you, how to understand my self !

                        Can you tell me more about the psychic forecaster ? Thanks for that nice post !
                        Take care
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                          Tue, September 8, 2009 - 5:05 PM
                          Tiny is the best way to put that! Lol. Thank you also and I am sure if I reevaluate your Chart I can come to better conclusions! :D
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                            Re: ESP ability?

                            Tue, September 15, 2009 - 5:07 PM
                            Hello all,

                            I have Sun (Virgo), Mercury (Leo), and Mars (Virgo) in the 12th house and have had several experiences with ESP ability, but am still learning to define my inner boundaries with other people. Like many said, I don't know if some of the emotions are mine and it can be frustrating and confusing to sift through.

                            My most recent 'major' ESP incident involved my late beloved Grandfather who passed in 2007. 9/2006 my family had a mini-reunion and it had been a long time since I saw him; I knew immediately after seeing him that he was dying. I just knew and there were physical factors involved, because he was 'emotionally checked out' and lost so much weight. I voiced my concerns about how skinny he was, because no one else seemed to 'see' this about him. He finally went to the doctor and was diagnosed with cancer. I think he knew what was going on and just accepted it.

                            After he passed I asked him to give me a sign that he was ok. Day after his funeral, got up to pack, turned on the light and went about my business, when suddenly the lamp turned off and on. I automatically said Hi Grandpa. Year later I visited my Grandmother and was doing laundry in the garage (his hangout when he was alive) when suddenly a hose fell off this stand next to me. There was no way this hose fell off on it's own. I put it back on and shook it, but it stayed put. He was playin' tricks on me. It's a huge comfort to know he's got his mischievous spark back. :o )

                            I perceive others emotions too, whether they speak of them or not and can 'read' people very well. Sometimes being around other people can be extremely overwhelming, so I'm a bit of a loner too.

                            Here's a question.....I live in an apartment and wonder sometimes if I'm 'picking' up the emotional state of my neighbors. Anyone else experience this? How do you all 'block' this stuff out? Thanks!

                            Jan
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    Sat, July 18, 2009 - 5:55 AM
    though before I never went deeper into my astrology than Sun, Asc, Moon and Venus.
    I was very good at cards, signs and portents (gave it up for a promise).

    With so many ways to read charts I am not sure what is in my 12th house anymore.
    In my quest for answers to my past that may key ability to avoid future disaster without outright divination...
    I find myself on a few tribes here adn recently astodiest.

    Also whenever I am ill.. every plant in the house dies. My X always said I was a psychic vampire and they were the lowest on the food chain.
    course he also said I was a sex vampire/succubus and yet called me frigid at the same time. So who cares what he says? He sucked.
    I do by chance feel always heatlhiest when there are a lot of nice deciduous trees around. I feel pines are kinda grumpy and unhelpful.


    I always KNEW when my mother in law was coming for a surprise visit. Right EVERY time within 3 days to the point he would get off his lazy ass and tidy up if I was in what he called "perfect catholic hostess frenzy".
    Only warning she ever gave her friends adn kids was about 5 minutes before arrival! Must have been the aquarain or fire horse in her.

    I'd blame my head injury except I thought and wrote in journals that way before the accident....heh. I'll still say it was the head injury!

    Except just food for thought. I see signs in birds too. And Tsalagi belief sees signs in everything. I don't like birds.....
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    Tue, October 20, 2009 - 4:02 PM
    i have pluto conjunct sun conjunction ascendant all at the end of the 12th house. ascendent and sun are both scorpio. I don't know if this is exactly what you're after, but when i meet people i get a very strong first impression of what a person is about. i will "know" a person right when i meet them i know if they're good or bad immediately, probably mostly based on my own introspection and abnormally volatile youth. I will frequently recognize a pisces or cancer immediately after either seeing them or hearing a description of some drama they're caught up in. i also generally make people feel uneasy to be around, though i try to be as friendly as possible! needless to say, i'm not very enthusiastic about going out and making friends. most truly nice people are too fuckin weird for me, and i'm too dark for them to approach.
    • Re: ESP ability?

      Tue, October 20, 2009 - 4:27 PM
      Peter ~

      What you describe sounds more like intuition than "ESP" to me.

      The tendency to stay to yourself sounds very 12th House, though. I prefer to have plenty of "alone time" as well. My Sun is also conj Pluto, but in Leo 12H. I also have Virgo Jupiter there conj Asc. Leo gregariousness winds up being automatically misleading. I recently had to explain to an Aries who said I am a "people person" that I actually am not, but I know he doesn't see me otherwise, so this should be interesting.
      • Re: ESP ability?

        Thu, October 22, 2009 - 6:23 AM
        sun conjunct pluto in the 12th of leo would probably give your sun the advantage in that energy, compared to sun conj. pluto in scorpio favor pluto in the energy expression. this could make the two energies very different since they are by their signs for us. i know the effect mine has had has been very transformative, so much so i've almost killed myself by such activities as drunken car accidents, near death hospital visits, serious conflicts with people i hate strongly to the point i've had to arm myself. also i've experienced being able to project negative energies onto people and have them fall ill or (usually their mother, perhaps my cancer moon?) their family suffer illness... these have included one of my first girlfriends mothers who was cheating on her husband (a soldier in iraq) who i uncovered after her 6 months alone with her kids who she was paying no attention to. not only did i blackmail her after my girlfriend got caught with drugs, but she immediately fell ill with thyroid cancer. Another woman who crossed me, she got the full plutonian treatment. She was doing coke and ecstacy behind my back and i knew it when she wouldn't answer my calls and blow off dates what she was doing. When i finally had had enough, i dumped her. Next her mother got bacterial meningitis, her car broke down, and she got fired from her job because her roommate stole from the safe while she was managing. her roommate, evan, who i hated, was fired also. he started spreading rumors about me after i broke up with this girl, so when i found out about it i knew i would have to beat his ass. granted this guy was much bigger than me, but i saw him at a party once sitting on a couch. so i pinned him down by straddling his lap and beat the fuc* out of his face. he didnt leave the couch the rest of the night. i got kicked out of the party. and later that night his car broke down on his way home. I did not tamper with his car. I have never taken direct action to these people with the exception of Evan. After I had my vengeance upon him, i didn't see or hear from him for 2 years. I turned 21 and saw him outside a bar one night while i was extremely drunk at which point i grabbed his arm and physically shook him and said sarcastically, confidently, "HOWS IT GOIN MANNNNN!?" Not two weeks passed before i saw that he had committed suicide.

        i first noticed this sort of power channel when my assistant principal in middle school (who i clashed with constantly probably weekly) became ill with breast cancer only 2 weeks after i'd written on paper over and over again that i hoped her head would roll (this because she kicked me out of a school dance because of my PRIOR behavior problems). I went to a school on a military base, which was ultra-conservative, and ultra invasive into our persons. The degree to which an adult stranger should influence a child should not include deciding clothing. School uniforms really irked me, but we had them.

        This vindictive streak has transformed with my age and i try to be positive mostly by consuming marijuana for meditation with reggae music, but i still find myself with overwhelming dis-likings for people, and "types," especially those who embrace the system. i often feel like i know people after 5 minutes better than they know themselves and i do manipulate inevitably. after i jumped on my principals desk and spit on her and told her she needed jenny craig, i was practically expelled but given a second chance (sorta) because i was seeing a therapist at the time. In my mind they were overreaching boundaries, i felt violated from the first day of school when i started pre-k and ran out of the building immediately after my mom left, and i found her in the parking lot.

        see i was born to a leo who is an orthodox christian priest and a mother who is a nurse and a PE teacher for elementary school, so their value system did not work for me at all. I ended up dropping out of school after 9th grade. i kept friends from school, but eventually lost them after i had a violent breakdown and weilded a pick axe at one of my friends in my garage after he "insulted" me.

        i have never been able to get a job, though i was able to get my GED immediately after turning 17. GED states that i did as well as the top 1% of traditional high school graduates, and i started college. College at 17 made me want to kill myself so i quit and did drugs for the next 4 years. I did everything but heroin and meth. i only smoked crack once, and when i don't want to assimilate a drug i feel plenty empowered to control this in every way. i have only been drunk twice since my car accident that almost killed me last summer. now i'm a junior in a public state university and this intensely anti-establishment energy that is me is coming back to the forefront of my life. my birthday is on sunday and i'll be 23 years old. I am seriously considering doing what i have said i wanted to be since i was a small child, a hermit, so trust i have a determination and concentration of this energy that i cant tell if i want to apply to the world system, or keep to myself for personal transformation, i think this is because of the conj. being on the cusp of my 12th and 1st.

        I found a long time ago that i was the type of person who needed to learn to LET GO, else die at age 30 from an aneurysm. my intensity is unparalleled by anyone i've ever met, and though i'm a relatively small plutonian man i pack a hugh punch, and i'm not afraid to throw the first one. i have once felt insulted and kicked in the bathroom door of a much larger aquaintance of mine to punch him in the face while he was taking a shit on his toilet. i went outside to wait for him to come beat my ass. yes i have had a few ass beatings, but this i feel only makes me more resilient and motivated to fight for what i want.

        things like class presentations and group work make me feel slighted and actually make me physically ill. working with others drains me of my energy rapidly and i find i feel as though i'm stuck in traffic with the difference in flow of thought between myself and others. I strongly want to impact the world for the better, as i see better to be, but i do not have much faith in humanity and i know myself to be superior to the common life.

        I think i should just leave, which i have done before. when i was 19 i got in my car and drove 20 hours from tennessee to pittsburgh with no actual money or destination. i just lived in squat houses with junkies for a month and then decided to come home. you know, these type of things strengthen me, as does the ocean and the beach. i moved out to BALT/Washington DC area last year with my priest dad (also a military chaplain) in part to be near the water.

        I believe in the divinity and truth of Haile Selassie I, i consider him a triple leo and the messiah who's 120th birthday falls in 2012. Truly the conquering lion of the tribe of judah, descended of king solomon come to break the 7th seal and usher in a new age.

        i think i might be put in this part of the country, DC, because God wants me to make an impact in some way, but i have a strong urge to just run away and be no part of it. I'm very idealistic and a libertarian to the core -- pro-life libertarian, because i believe that everyone deserves a chance no matter what kind of monster their life may turn them into.

        i know i am egotistical sounding, this is because i truly feel i know myself and am proud to be an unique individual capable of so much perception, influence, and renewal.

        I read online once that a sun-pluto conjunction in the 12th house would give a person healing energy and the ability to heal others, i wonder though if you have healing energy, double-leo, the way i have observed my destructive energy?

        i left out what i might have written about sex in favor of privacy.

        • Re: ESP ability?

          Thu, October 22, 2009 - 6:32 AM
          oh yeah, and that girl i dated who lost her job after i dumped her.... i also went ahead and made out with her sister just for spite. their family has a history of incest and child sexual abuse, so i know this was hurtful and probably wrong. I have since apologized to her for this but i wanted to mention it to illustrate the extent of my vindictive quality.
        • Re: ESP ability?

          Thu, October 22, 2009 - 8:38 AM
          <I read online once that a sun-pluto conjunction in the 12th house would give a person healing energy and the ability to heal others, i wonder though if you have healing energy, double-leo, the way i have observed my destructive energy? >

          Well, I have been told this by some people, occasionally by total strangers I have met, but I think it is complicated and sometimes involves a complete dismantling of the lives they have previously lived. In that regard, this Plutonian quality about which you speak is evident. However, and I believe this is key and very much in keeping with the paradoxical nature of 12th House Pluto/Sun combustion, the INTENT involved is one of therapy, healing, self-realization, and the correcting of injustices. I cannot stress enough the significance of intention. It is one thing to just blow up a life without regard even for collateral damage and what ultimately becomes mutual consequences, although the chickens may take their time coming home to roost, and quite another to precipitate and facilitate a whole scale demolition with a view to a subsequent reconstruction that can set a whole network of people on the path of improving their lives and the lives of others. This is analogous to excising malignancies, eradicating infections, and eliminating disease to it roots so that the body can get a fresh start at being healthy and whole. A simpler way of viewing this is to consider that you cannot erect a new structure in a place where an old one is until you demolish the existing structure. If you just tear down the old place and let it lie as a breeding ground for rats and pestilence, that is what you will have ~ rats and pestilence instead of a clean and well-founded home. So, Peter, the energy itself can be virtually the same on the surface, but its manifestation can be radically different depending upon your intention.

          Of course, such engagements really do require a mutual participation in the process, which involves the consent (on many levels) of the other and one's own commitment to see it through and support the other person, and this can be rather exhausting and frustrating on both sides sometimes. Also, my own experience has been that this is best undertaken with those whom one is not romantically involved since a certain amount of emotional objectivity is required when you are slogging through a lot of highly-charged material. Someone is needed to have a cool head, and the person whose life is coming unglued is an unlikely candidate for that role. One also needs to recognize that this sort of process is likely to take a long time, at the end of which the bond that is formed is likely to be extremely strong. The transformation will be mutual as well, but in different ways for the parties involved.

          It seems that so far in your life you have been directing yourself along what appears to be more self-gratifying motives, perhaps because you have not applied your energy to healing what needs to be healed within yourself ~ in the full scale sense of healing that I have described. In my opinion, this really is something that the Pluto/Sun in the 12th must fundamentally do ALONE, although it is true that along the way it is important to balance this solitude with enough external support to avoid becoming unbalanced and warped in the process.

          If you would like to discuss this matter in more detail, I invite you to contact me privately since we seem to be wandering a bit off the initial topic of this thread. I hope that what I have said so far has clarified the basic matter of how destructive energy is converted into healing.

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